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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. The clause, which Pamelius added to Cyprian, he added on the warrant not of Gratians credit, but of the Cambron-copy. Wherewith, as far as Gratian agreed, he approved him: he approved him not, in that he disagreed from it. Neither is it any discredit to Pamelius, to have rather followed that copy, then Gratian: sith Gratian hath missed sometimes (as we grant) in citing of the Fathers; perhaps by setting down not so much their words as that which he conceived to be meant thereby. But these are small matters, whereto you pick quarrels in the print of Cyprian, at Rome, or at Antwerp; for this, or that correction: that you may seem to have some pretence yet, why you refuse trial by the consent of the Fathers in controversies of religion.
Hart. The clause, which Pamelius added to Cyprian, he added on the warrant not of Gratians credit, but of the Cambron-copie. Wherewith, as far as Gratian agreed, he approued him: he approued him not, in that he disagreed from it. Neither is it any discredit to Pamelius, to haue rather folowed that copie, then Gratian: sith Gratian hath missed sometimes (as we graunt) in citing of the Fathers; perhaps by setting down not so much their wordes as that which he conceiued to be meant thereby. But these are small matters, whereto you picke quarrels in the print of Cyprian, at Rome, or at Anwerpe; for this, or that correction: that you may séeme to haue some pretense yet, why you refuse tryall by the consent of the Fathers in controuersies of religion.
Rainoldes. When a young man, whom *Plato reproved for playing at dice, said, Do you reprove me for so small a matter? The matter is small, quoth Plato, but the custom of it is no small matter. So the matters may be small, which I reprove in your correcting of Cyprian: but the custom of such correcting is no small matter. For Gratian (you grant) setteth down sometimes not the words of the Fathers, but that which he conceiveth to be meant thereby: what if he miss-conceive it? And howsoever that be: what if here he aimed at the meaning of Cyprian? As it may seem he did: for k