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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. When a young man, whom *Plato reproved for playing at dice, said, Do you reprove me for so small a matter? The matter is small, quoth Plato, but the custom of it is no small matter. So the matters may be small, which I reprove in your correcting of Cyprian: but the custom of such correcting is no small matter. For Gratian (you grant) setteth down sometimes not the words of the Fathers, but that which he conceiveth to be meant thereby: what if he miss-conceive it? And howsoever that be: what if here he aimed at the meaning of Cyprian? As it may seem he did: for khe agreeth not precisely word for word with the Cambron-copy. Now, the Cambron-copy what is it, or whence came it, that Cyprian should be made the father of such slips upon the credit of it alone? What, if some did note them in the margin, of fancy, as students use to do? What if some received them into the text of error? What if some, of zeal ⟨p. 216⟩unto the church of Rome, did add them? And why did not Pamelius leave out the other words of the equality of the Apostles in honour and power, because the Cambron copy wanteth them: as well as add these of Peters primacy and chair, because the Cambron-copy hath them? Did not his conscience tell him, that the copy was unsound: or at the least insufficient, to force the change of a place of so great importance against the credit of so many both written books and printed? If other Licentiates as learned as Pamelius; shall upon one copy, as good as the Cambron; presume, in all the Fathers, as he hath in Cyprian; to add the like glosses, for the rest of your opinions, as these are for the chair and primacy of Peter: it will be hie time for us to take heed how we permit the trial of controversies in religion to the consent of the Fathers. Wherefore, although these matters seem never so small, yet there may lie as much on them, as concerneth the safety of our souls. Neither do I pick them, as quarrels, for pretence; but I allege them as reasons for proof, that, by the position of your own author, we must deal with you not by their consent, but by the scripture only. For he, on whom you grounded, Vincentius Lirinensis, alloweth only scripture, to convince those errors which have increased long, & wide: because the length of time hath given them occasion to steal away the trueth;