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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. If Paul had so meant it, either of Peter or of the Pope: he had a tongue of the learned, he could easily have so expounded it. But, in the applying of his similitude to his purpose, he showeth that he meant, by the name of head, them who had the greatest graces of Gods spirit: by feet, hands, and eyes, them who not so great, though greater some then other.
Rainoldes. If Paule had so meant it, either of Peter or of the Pope: he had a tongue of the learned, he could easily haue so expounded it. But, in the applying of his similitude to his purpose, he sheweth that he meant, by the name of head, them who had the greatest graces of Gods spirite: by feete, hands, and eies, them who not so great, though greater some then other.
Hart. Them who had the greatest? Nay: the name of head doth show it must be one, and that, one visible head (which we call a ministerial head under Christ) proportionable to the body of Christ, I mean the Church. Of the which visible and ministerial head those words of S. Paul may be truly verified, The head cannot say to the feet, I have no need of you.
Hart. Them who had the greatest? Nay: the name of head doth shew it must be one, and that, one visible head (which wée call a ministeriall head vnder Christ) proportionable to the body of Christ, I meane the Church. Of the which visible and ministeriall head those wordes of S. Paule may bee truely verified, The head cannot say to the feete, I haue no neede of you.
Rainoldes. Indeed, if the Pope be signified by the head, those words will fit him well. For eCardinal Poole discoursing on the same reason of the Popes supremacy, doth make as him the head, so kings to be the feet. And it is true the Pope can not say to kings, I have no need of you. It would be hard going for him if they were not. But if, because Saint Paul doth in that similitude mention a head, therefore there must be one visible head proportionable to the body of Christ, that is, the Church: then because S. Paul doth mention the feet, there must be needs also two visible feet, by the like proportion. Now I would gladly know of you Master Hart, which you will make