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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. You say that Peter had not a primacy in calling: for S. Ambrose saith so. What, if I should answer, He had a primacy in calling: for S. Cyprian saith so. Or, to help S. Cyprian (if he have smaller credit with you,) for S. tGregory saith so: 3Peter was called to the Apostleship first. But there is no dissension between them and Ambrose, if all their words be weighed. For Ambrose saith, that Andrew did first follow Christ: and they say, that Peter was called first of Christ. The truth of both which is plain by the scriptures. For uAndrew followed Christ, before Peter knew him: and he brought Peter unto Christ. But xChrist said to Peter, yThou shalt be called Cephas, (wherein he meant him the Apostleship,) before he spake a word of the Apostleship to Andrew. And so doth Ambrose seem him self to expound his meaning otherwhere: affirming of Peter, that 4he was the first among the Apostles to whom our Saviour had committed the charge of the churches. ⟨p. 222⟩Whereby he giveth Peter the primacy in being called to the Apostleship: though he gave a primacy in discipleship (as it were) I mean, in following Christ, to Andrew. As for S. Austins words, which (you say) import that he meant a primacy, not in calling, but preeminence: you should have rather said that he meant a primacy, in calling, & preeminence both. For out of all doubt he meant a primacy in calling. But your friends, who dismember the sayings of the Fathers, do stand in your light, that you can not see it. For as zStapleton did cut out *the former words of Ambrose, that Peter might be thought the only man who had the charge of the churches, not the first of them who had it: so hath Torrensis cut of the later words of Austin, that the primacy of Peter might be thought a primacy in power, not in calling; or, if in calling, in power too. The primacy of the Apostles is conspicuous and preeminent with excellent grace in the Apostle Peter: thus saith Torrensis out of Austin. And these are