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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. As you say: the greatest grace, that your Popes of long time have fought for. Yet there is a difference between grace and power. Which the Popes gLawyers have observed well: as it behoved them to do. For many Doctors have been endued with greater 1grace of the holy Ghost, then sundry Popes, saith Gratian: yet in the deciding of controversies and causes the writings of the Doctors are of less authority then the Popes decrees. Why? because the Popes are in 2power above them. But what speak I of Doctors? when the meanest Christians may pass the Pope in grace, as it is confessed by Cardinal hTurrecremata. Who, handling the question between the Pope and the Church, whether of them is greater, when he had set down the reason of his adversaries, that the Church is greater, because it is the body, the Pope a member of it, and the whole must needs be greater then the part: he answereth thereto, that, the question is not whether the Church be greater then the Pope, simply, to wit, 1in perfection of grace, and ampleness of virtues; *for even an old woman may in this sort be perfecter and greater then the Pope him self; but 2in power of jurisdiction (he saith) the Pope is greater. Wherefore if the Popes supremacy do stand in power of jurisdiction, and a woman may be above him in grace: then Peter might excel with the preeminence of grace, as Austin saith he did: and yet not excel in supremacy of power, which you conclude of it. Else, you must take the supremacy from Peter, and give it to the blessed virgin. Unless you you will deny that she excelled ⟨p. 224⟩him in grace.
Rainoldes. As you say: the greatest grace, that your Popes of long time haue fought for. Yet there is a difference betwéene grace and power. Which the Popes