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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. You need not account it so heinous a matter to conclude that doctrine by these words of Christ. Chiefly, sith it is probable, that he meant them rather of the Pope then him self. For he saith, there shall be one flock and one Pastor: he saith not, there hath been; but, there shall be. Now him self, as being God, was alway Pastor of the Gentiles also, no less than of the Jews. And so in respect of him there had before been one flock, and one pastor. Wherefore sith he speaketh of a thing that should be, not that had been already: he might be well ⟨p. 238⟩thought to have meant not him self but the Pope rather, who (in his steed) is Pastor both of Jews and Gentiles.
Hart. You néede not account it so heinous a matter to conclude that doctrine by these wordes of Christ. Chiefely, sith it is probable, that he meant them rather of the Pope then him selfe. For he saith, there shall be one flocke and one Pastor: he saith not, there hath beene; but, there shall be. Now him selfe, as being God, was alway Pastor of the Gentiles also, no lesse thē of the Iewes. And so in respect of him there had before bene one flocke, and one pastor. Wherfore sith he speaketh of a thing that should be, not that had bene alreadie: he might be well ⟨p. 238⟩thought to haue meant not him selfe but the Pope rather, who (in his stéed) is Pastor both of Iewes and Gentiles.
Rainoldes. Had the Gentiles alway God for their Pastor, as well as the Jews? What meant S. Paul then, who saith, fto the Gentiles: ye were without Christ, and aliens from the common wealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, and had no hope, and were without God in the world? For gGod is called Pastor, in respect of them, whom he guideth, and feedeth with the food of life. So that if he were Pastor of the Gentiles alway, as you say he was: then they were alway faithful, and members of the Church, and had the hope of God in Christ. But if they were before without Christ, without hope, without God in the world, and aliens from the common wealth of Israel, that is, the Church, and strangers from the covenants of promise made to the faithful, as they were, S. Paul saith: then neither were they one flock with the Jews, neither was God their one Pastor. wherefore what soever show of probability the Pope might seem to have for abusing those words to maintain his own pride: in truth they agree to him,