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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. You do ill to call it a tale, and drunken forgery: such reproachful terms.
Hart. You doo ill to call it a tale, and droonken forgerie: such reprochefull termes.
Rainoldes. You must bear with my plainness, I call a ••gge, a fig; and a spade, a spade.
Rainoldes. You must beare with my plainenes, I call a ••gge, a figge; and a spade, a spade.
Hart. Nay, it is neither a forgery, nor a tale. For, the epistle is ancient, translated out of Greek into Latin by Rufinus, who lived within four hundred years after Christ. And this touching Linus, the story of whose succession (you think) disproveth it, was thought upon then, & is answered by oRufinus. For […] his preface to the book entitled the recognitions of Clemens, which he translated too, some demand (saith he) how, when as Linus and Cletus were Bishops of Rome before Clemens, himself (in his epistle to James) saith that the chair of teaching was committed to him by Peter. Whereof this is the reason, as we have heard, that Linus and Cletus were in deed Bishops in Rome before Clemens, but while Peter lived: that they might have the care of the Bishoply charge, & he might do the duty of the Apostleship. As it is found that also he did at Caesarea: where, though being present himself, yet he had a Bishop whom he had ordained, namely Zachaeus. And thus may each of these things be thought to be true: both that they were reckoned Bishops, before Clemens; and Clemens nevertheless received the chair of teaching after the death of Peter.