Theophilus. Thou shalt be yet compelled to come unto my sayings. For what other thing may I conclude, by thy words, but that there is three hells, between which three is no difference, but that the one is more cruel then 1the other, as the torments & prisons of the Tyrants are. For Theologians do affirm that there is two sorts of 2pains in Purgatory, to wit, the pain of Dam, and the pain of the sense. By the pain of Dam, they understand ⟨p. 225⟩the damage and hurt that the souls do receive for the long tarrying and let that they have, to see the face of God, and to be in possession of the joys of Paradise. By the pain of the sense, they understand the torments which the souls do feel of the fire by the which they are punished. Now judge, what difference can be. First, what more greater pain can the damned have then this here? Sith that your Doctors do affirm that the fire of 3hell, and of Purgatory, is all one, as to his substance, and that after the day of the last judgement, Purgatory shall be mingled with Hell, and they shall be but one self thing? Thou canst not here find any other difference, saving that Purgatory is not a perpetual hell, neither an eternal hell fire, but that it hath a certain end: and that the Limb is a half Hell. For there is but the pain of Dam, sith that there is no fire. The which yet nevertheless your Doctors do affirm to be so great that it surmounteth all the pains of the world. And for to prove it, they allege Saint Augustine, saying. To be an estranger from the kingdom of God, deprived from the sweetness of God, is a pain so great, that there are no torments that may be compared unto them. And Chrysostom saith: Many are afraid of the Bell fire, but I esteem a pain a great deal greater then the hell fire, than fall from that glory. Thou doest then see, whether I do wrong to call the Limb, Hell. But there is yet a difference between 4the pains of the ancient fathers, which were detained and kept in the Limb, and the children that are borne dead. For that half hell, after your doctrine, is unto them eternal: the which it was not unto the ancient fathers. But the better to declare and show forth that matter. I 5demand of thee what thou thinkest the bosom of Abraham to be, in which Lazarus rested?
Theophilus. Thou shalt be yet compelled to come vnto my sayings. For what other thing may I conclude, by thy wordes, but that there is three helles, betwéene whiche thrée is no difference, but that the one os more cruel then 1the other, as the torments & prisons of the Tyrants are. For Theologians do affirme that there is two sortes of 2paines in Purgatory, to wit, the paine of Dam, and the paine of the sence. By the payne of Dam, they vnderstand ⟨p. 225⟩the dammage and hurt that the soules doe receiue for the long tarying and let that they haue, to sée the face of God, and to bée in possession of the ioyes of Paradise. By the paine of the sence, they vnderstand the tormentes which the soules doe féele of the fire by the which they are punished. Now iudge, what difference can be. First, what more greater paine can the dampned haue then this héere? Sith that your Doctors do affirme that the fire of 3hell, and of Purgatory, is all one, as to his substaunce, and that after the daye of the last iudgement, Purgatorye shall bee mingled with Hell, and they shalbe but one selfe thing? Thou canst not heere finde any other difference, sauing that Purgatorye is not a perpetuall hell, neyther an eternall hell fire, but that it hath a certeine ende: and that the Limbe is a halfe Hell. For there is but the paine of Dam, sith that there is no fire. The which yet neuerthelesse your Doctors ds affirme to be so great that it surmounteth all the paines of the world. And for to proue it, they alledge Sainct Augustine, saying. To be an estraunger from the kingdome of God, depriued from the swéetnesse of God, is a paine so great, that ther are no torments that may be compared vnto them. And Chrisostome saith: Many are afrayde of the Bell fire, but I estéeme a paine a great deale greater then the hell fire, tha fall from that glorye. Thou doest then see, whether I doe wronge to call the Limbe, Hell. But ther is yet a difference betwéene 4the paines of the auncient fathers, which were deteyned and kept in the Limbe, and the children that are borne dead. For that halfe hell, after your doctrine, is vnto them eternall: the which it was not vnto the auncient fathers. But the better to declare and shewe foorth that matter. I 5demaund of thée what thou thinckest the bosome of Abraham to be, in which Lazarus rested?
- 1Three hells.Three helles.
- 2Poena damni. & poena sensus Leo de viim. ser vim sest. mort.Poena damni. & poena sensus Leo de viim. ser uim sest. mort.
- 3Jo. Mayo. 4. sent dist. 44. q. 1.Io. Maio. 4. sent dist. 44. q. 1.
- 4Barl. serm. de poen. infer.
- 5Abrahams bosme. Luc. 16. c. 12
