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The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wiseThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise
The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take great pleasure in the reading thereof. Translated out of French into English, by John Brooke of AsheThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take greate pleasure in the reading thereoff. Translated out of French into English, by Iohn Brooke of Ashe
London: printed by Thomas East, 1579
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Theophilus. Thou shalt be yet compelled to come unto my sayings. For what other thing may I conclude, by thy words, but that there is three hells, between which three is no difference, but that the one is more cruel then 1the other, as the torments & prisons of the Tyrants are. For Theologians do affirm that there is two sorts of 2pains in Purgatory, to wit, the pain of Dam, and the pain of the sense. By the pain of Dam, they understand ⟨p. 225⟩the damage and hurt that the souls do receive for the long tarrying and let that they have, to see the face of God, and to be in possession of the joys of Paradise. By the pain of the sense, they understand the torments which the souls do feel of the fire by the which they are punished. Now judge, what difference can be. First, what more greater pain can the damned have then this here? Sith that your Doctors do affirm that the fire of 3hell, and of Purgatory, is all one, as to his substance, and that after the day of the last judgement, Purgatory shall be mingled with Hell, and they shall be but one self thing? Thou canst not here find any other difference, saving that Purgatory is not a perpetual hell, neither an eternal hell fire, but that it hath a certain end: and that the Limb is a half Hell. For there is but the pain of Dam, sith that there is no fire. The which yet nevertheless your Doctors do affirm to be so great that it surmounteth all the pains of the world. And for to prove it, they allege Saint Augustine, saying. To be an estranger from the kingdom of God, deprived from the sweetness of God, is a pain so great, that there are no torments that may be compared unto them. And Chrysostom saith: Many are afraid of the Bell fire, but I esteem a pain a great deal greater then the hell fire, than fall from that glory. Thou doest then see, whether I do wrong to call the Limb, Hell. But there is yet a difference between 4the pains of the ancient fathers, which were detained and kept in the Limb, and the children that are borne dead. For that half hell, after your doctrine, is unto them eternal: the which it was not unto the ancient fathers. But the better to declare and show forth that matter. I