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The first part of the Christian instruction, and general so[m]me of the doctrine, contained in the holy Scriptures wherein the principal points of the religion are familiarly handled by dialogues, very necessary to be read of all Christians. Translated into English, by John Shute, according to the late copy set forth, by th'author Master Peter Viret. 1565. Overseen and perused, according to the order appointed, by the Queens majesties injunctions.The firste parte of the Christian instruction, and generall so[m]me of the doctrine, conteyned in the holy Scriptures wherein the principall pointes of the religion are familiarly handled by dialogues, very necessary to be read of all Christians. Translated into Englishe, by Iohn Shute, accordyng to the late copy set forth, by th'author Maister Peter Viret. 1565. Ouersene and perused, accordyng to the order appointed, by the Queenes maiesties iniunctions.
London: printed by John Day, 1565London: printed by Iohn Day, 1565
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D. But we have left the best of the play untouched, which afterward is turned into a Tragedy: to wit, y• Sessions, in the which yt declaration of all the conclusions which they make in the Conclave, is openly published in the Church. T. I pray thee then go through & make an end of the play. D. The day whereon this is done, all they of the town where they are gathered to Council, must make a feast. The Cardinals and Bishops do assist all there, in their sieges & seats, clothed with their robes, & decked as it were bridegrooms. For it is there that the play must be plaid in deed. And for so much as they have had from else where before that time, & not from thence, the inspiration of their holy ghost, & that they be already resolved in that, that they go about, they do not then at all call for their belly divines & hooded men, whom before that time they had for their school masters, but in such sort as they call the rest of the hearers: for there they need them not. Notwithstanding this, to the end that they may give all men to understand, that the determinations which they have brought thither, already framed by them without the spirit of God, ⟨p. 152⟩before that ever they came thither, do proceed from God, and from his holy spirit, they begin with invocation of him, to wit with a fair blasphemy, to outrage the grace of him, and to renounce Jesus Christ our Lord, by whom it is given, for they sing a fair Mass of the holy Ghost, with such ceremonies and so great mockeries, and foolish toys, that the little children would be ashamed to see it. For the Mass must be Episcopal, now there are many mysteries and ceremonies in such Masses, moe then in those that are song by simple Curates and Priests. There is there also harmony, chanting, and great store of Music, even as there was in the solemn feast holden at Babylon, by the commandment of Nebuchadnezzar, to cause his great golden Image to be honoured. There is also a gay and pompous procession, in the which all the players, that play in that play, are clothed and disguised according to the parts that 1they play. Then do they cry out for the holy Ghost (with whom they would not have to do notwithstanding) with very great desire Veni creator spiritus:
D. BUt we haue left the best of the play vntouched, which afterward is turned into a Tragedie: to witte, y• Sessions, in the whiche yt declaratiō of all the conclusiōs which they make in ye Cōclaue, is opēly published in ye Church. T. I pray thee thē go thorow & make an end of ye play. D. The day wheron this is done, all they of ye towne where they are gathered to Coūcell, must make a feast. The Cardinals and Bishops doo assiste al there, in their sieges & seates, clothed with their robes, & decked as it were bridegromes. For it is there yt the play must be plaide in deede. And for so much as they haue had frō els where before yt tyme, & not frō thence, the inspiracion of their holy ghost, & that they be already resolued in that, that they go about, they do not then at all cal for their belly diuines & hooded men, whom before yt tyme they had for their scoole masters, but in such sort as they cal the rest of the hearers: for there they nede thē not. Notwithstandyng this, to the end that they may giue all men to vnderstand, that the determinaciōs whiche they haue brought thither, already framed by them without the spirite of God, ⟨p. 152⟩before that euer they came thyther, do procede frō God, and from his holy spirite, they begyn with inuocation of him, to witte with a faire blasphemie, to oultrage the grace of him, and to renounce Iesus Christ our Lorde, by whom it is gyuen, for they sing a faire Masse of the holy Ghost, with such ceremonies and so great mockeries, and foolish toyes, that the litle children would be ashamed to see it. For the Masse must be Episcopall, now there are many mysteries and ceremonies in such Masses, moe then in those that are song by simple Curates and Priestes. Ther is there also harmonie, chauntyng, and great store of Musicke, euen as there was in the solempne feast holden at Babilon, by the commaūdement of Nabuchodonosor, to cause hys greate golden Image to be honored. There is also a gaye and pompouse procession, in the whiche all the players, that playe in that play, are clothed and disguised accordyng to the partes that 1they playe. Then do they crye out for the holy Ghost (with whō they would not haue to do notwithstandyng) with very great desire Veni creator spiritus:
to the end that he may come and inspire them, to do that which is all ready done, when this is done, every mans opinion is asked, of those things which are there proponed. Upon the which every man playeth his part, according as he hath learned it, and answereth according to the conclusion, which is all ready made. Those which have better memory then the rest, and do trust thereunto, pronounce their sentence by hart, the others reed it according as it hath ben given them in writing, in the schedules that their school masters, and instructors have made for them. In the which often times there happeneth great inconveniences. For there are some that have so gross heads, and have so evil studied their roll, that they are marvellously troubled to reed it a right. And often times it is seen that diverse of them have one kind of Billet, for so much as one school master hath made them all, & hath given very one theme to his disciples.
to the ende that he may come and inspire them, to do that whiche is all ready done, when this is done, euerye mans opinion is asked, of those thinges whiche are there proponed. Vpon the whiche euery man playeth his part, accordyng as he hath learned it, and aunswereth accordyng to the conclusion, which is al ready made. Those whiche haue better memorie then the rest, and do trust thereunto, pronounce their sentence by hart, the others reede it accordyng as it hath ben gyuen them in writyng, in the cedules that their scoole masters, and instructors haue made for them. In the whiche often tymes there happeneth great inconueniences. For there are some that haue so grose heades, and haue so euill studyed their rolle, yt they are maruelously troubled to reede it a right. And often times it is sene that diuerse of thē haue one kinde of Billet, for so much as one scoole maister hath made them al, & hath geuen verye one theme to hys disciples.
T. IF the worst happen, it can not be denied but that there is great unity of spirit among those men, for so much as they speak all by one spirit. But is there nothing else? D. Those that will make no long discourse, are discharged by one word of two syllables, and a bowed down head, to understand placet, which signifieth, it pleaseth me: For if there were one syllable more, which should be displicet, signifying it displeaseth me, the answer would be very perilous. When this is concluded, the holy ghost, without whose counsel they have determined and done all that ever they would, and whom they have grievously offended and blasphemed, hath notwithstanding determined and concluded all those things, according to their sayings. Wherefore they must be accounted even as though they had proceeded from the mouth of God. And if there be any one that will say against it, he is excommunicated, anathematised, and accursed. Therefore, when their sentence and final conclusion is in this sort published, they then frame the form of their excommunications, anathematisations, and cursings, wherewith they thunder and lighten horribly against all their enemies. And not being contented with that, to the end that their thunderings and lightnings should not seem to be without virtue and force, men must come to fire and weapons, to maintain and defend these holy determinations. T. This manner of proceeding is very meet and worthy of such men as do embrace it. D. Yet notwithstanding it is the very manner & order that they do observe at this present. For it must needs be that after this feast of Nebuchadnezzar, the furnace must be warmed also. T. Then I do not greatly marvel, if that Christendom receive final fruit of such councils, if they be holden in none other sort, there is no great hope to be had of them. D. And good cause why, for their holy ghost is to much burning, ⟨p. 154⟩and of fire greatly different from him that was sent to the Apostles, upon the day of Pentecost. T. Therefore I am well 1content that we leave them, & that we speak of that council of the which we began to talk, and let us see what order was there observed, without any more beholding that Tridentine play, so magical & bloody. D. It shall be the best. T. Seeing that thou art of that opinion, I will not suffer thee to be long at rest, before I return to thee, to hear thee speak of so worthy a matter. D.
I trust by the help of God, it shall not be all together without fruit.
I trust by the helpe of God, it shal not be all together without fruit.
Albeit that the little titles which I make of the principal points which are entreated of in this Dialogue, may sufficiently advertise the readers of those matters that are therein handled, & of the fruit that may come thereof: yet notwithstanding I have thought it good to advertise them in the beginning of every Dialogue, of the effect of every of them, comprehending in general y• which afterward is debated of in particular. Concerning this present Dialogue, I do declare in it in what sort god gave his law to his people, by his servant Moses, & to what end, & how it ought to be used, & what council he held by mean thereof in the mount Sinai, & what things ought to be considered therein. And after that I do show in what sort this general Council doth lead us unto the other which followeth, being holden & celebrated in the mount Zion & in Jerusalem, & how those councils contain in them all such doctrine as is necessary for the church of God. Wherefore I have named it The resolution of the Councils, wherein there is also spoken of the difference & agreement y• is between the old & new testament, the law & the Gospel, & of the ministry of the one & the other, & of the diversity and of the usage of the laws given by Moses. & of his office, and of Jesus Christ.
ALbeit yt the little titles which I make of the principal pointes which are entreated of in this Dialogue, may sufficientlye aduertise the readers of those matters yt are therin handled, & of the fruit that maye come thereof: yet notwtstanding I haue thought it good to aduertise them in the beginning of euery Dialogue, of the effect of euery of them, cōprehending in general y• which afterward is debated of in particular. Concerning this present Dialogue, I do declare in it in what sort god gaue his law to his people, by his seruant Moyses, & to what ende, & how it ought to be vsed, & what councell he helde by meane therof in the mount Synay, & what things ought to be considered therin. And after that I do shew in what sorte thys general Councel doth lead vs vnto ye other which foloweth, being holden & celebrated in the mount Sion & in Ierusalem, & how those councels conteine in them al such doctrine as is necessary for the church of God. Wherfore I haue named it The resolucion of the Councels, wherein there is also spoken of the difference & agrement y• is betwene the olde & new testamēnt, the law & the Gospel, & of the ministerye of the one & the other, & of the diuersity and of the vsage of the lawes geuē by Moyses. & of his office, and of Iesus Christ.
Timothy. Daniel.
Timothe. Daniel.
I Am even now newly come from reading the second book of Moses, in the which he hath written of this matter, for the which I do now come to thee: here resteth no more but that thou instruct me of some principal points of the doctrine how I might make my profit of them, and daily to increase in the knowledge of the authority of this great and general Council, to the which thou doest refer me. D. All be it that I doubt not at all, but that thou hast made prayer unto God, before thou comest to me, to the end that he might grant grace both to thee and me so to handle his holy word, that it might be to his honour and glory, and to our health, as we ought always to do, when we take in hand so holy a work: yet for all that it shall be very well done, that we both together do call upon him, before that we proceed any further in this matter. T. That is very reasonable and meet. D. The Lord for his mercies sake hear our prayers. But to our purpose whereof we spake before, thou must first note, that God himself gave charge to Moses to call the people together, of whom he had ordained him Pastor and leader, & was served by him in that vocation and ministry, as of his legate and ambassador. And albeit that God had already sufficiently authorised the ministry of Moses, by the great tokens and marvels which he had done by his hand, in the presence of all the people of Israel, as well in Egypt, before their coming out of it, as in the wilderness after it: Yet notwithstanding it pleased him not to speak at that time unto them by his own servant and Ambassador ⟨p. 156⟩Moses, as before time he was wont to do: but would himself in proper person speak in the presence of all the people, and would that the ears of them all should hear his voice, by the which he gave the ordinances, determinations, decrees, and Canons of this great Council, whereof we have already spoken in the first place. For the doctrine of the law is an understanding and knowledge of the will of God, which is as it were borne with man in his creation, in so much as God hath printed it in his hart, and hath endued him with that grace, as with others wherewith he hath endued him, when he did create and make him to his image and likeness. But forsomuch as it hath been greatly darkened and blotted by means of sin, which afterward came into the world:
I Am euen now newlye come from reading the second booke of Moyses, in the which he hath written of this matter, for the which I doo now come to thee: here reasteth no more but that thou instruct me of some principal pointes of the doctrine howe I might make my profit of them, and dayly to encrease in the knowledge of the authority of this great and generall Councell, to the which thou doest referre me. D. All be it that I doubt not at al, but that thou hast made praier vnto God, before thou cōmest to me, to the ende that he might graunt grace both to thee and me so to handle his holy woord, that it might be to his honour and glory, and to our health, as we ought alwayes to do, when we take in hand so holy a worke: yet for al that it shall be very wel done, that we both together doo cal vpon him, before that we procede anye further in thys matter. T. That is verye reasonable and meete. D. The Lord for his mercies sake heare our prayers. But to our purpose wherof we spake before, thou must first note, that God himselfe gaue charge to Moyses to cal the people together, of whom he had ordained him Pastor and leader, & was serued by him in that vocation and ministerye, as of his legate and embassadour. And albeit that God had alredy sufficiently authorised the ministerye of Moyses, by the great tokens and maruels which he had done by his hand, in the presence of all the people of Israel, as well in Egipt, before their comming out of it, as in the wyldernes after it: Yet notwithstanding it pleased him not to speake at that time vnto them by his owne seruaunt and Embassadour
we must of force come to the understanding and knowledge of the Gospel, which is not natural, as is that of the law, nor of the benefit of our first creation, as is this here: but of that of the regeneration, redemption, and justification, which is revealed unto us by the son of God, who brought it unto us from the bosom of the father. Therefore thou mayest see here plainly, who was the author and President of this Council, and from whom this doctrine which is brought unto us to be the rule to try all other doctrine by, which should be set forth unto us in the name of God, is proceeded. For seeing that God by this mean did avow Moses to be his servant, and for his Prophet and lawful Ambassador: we may be out of doubt that that law and doctrine which he brought, is of God: wherefore we may assuredly receive and esteem it not for mans doctrine, but for the doctrine of God. And for so much as that doctrine which hath been authorised and allowed in this Council, by the authority and the very mouth of God, is that same doctrine which in time past all the holy Patriarchs did hold and observe, even from the beginning of the world, and that very same also which since hath been embraced and followed by all the holy Prophets and ⟨p. 157⟩true servants of God: there is no doubt, but that all the doctrine which the Church of God hath followed, even from the beginning of the world, and hath always been entertained and continued in the same, by the ministry of the Patriarchs and Prophets, hath been by that same mean authorised, allowed, and ratified. T. For so much as it is one very doctrine, there is no doubt but that the approving of the one, is also the approving of the other.
we must of force come to the vnderstanding and knowledge of the Gospel, which is not natural, as is that of the lawe, nor of the benefit of our fyrst creation, as is this here: but of that of the regeneracion, redempcion, and iustification, which is reuealed vnto vs by the sonne of God, who brought it vnto vs from the bosome of the father. Therfore thou mayest see here playnlye, who was the author and President of this Councell, and from whō this doctrin which is brought vnto vs to be the rule to try all other doctrine by, which should be set foorth vnto vs in the name of God, is proceeded. For seing that God by this meane did auowe Moyses to be his seruaunt, and for his Prophet and lawful Embassadour: we maye be out of doubt that that lawe and doctrine whiche he brought, is of God: wherfore we may assuredly receiue and esteme it not for mans doctrine, but for the doctrine of God. And for somuch as that doctrine which hath bene authorised and allowed in thys Coūcel, by the authority and the very mouth of God, is that same doctrine which in time past al the holy Patriarches did holde and obserue, euen from the beginning of the world, and that veri same also which since hath bene embraced and followed by al the holy Prophetes and