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The first part of the Christian instruction, and general so[m]me of the doctrine, contained in the holy Scriptures wherein the principal points of the religion are familiarly handled by dialogues, very necessary to be read of all Christians. Translated into English, by John Shute, according to the late copy set forth, by th'author Master Peter Viret. 1565. Overseen and perused, according to the order appointed, by the Queens majesties injunctions.The firste parte of the Christian instruction, and generall so[m]me of the doctrine, conteyned in the holy Scriptures wherein the principall pointes of the religion are familiarly handled by dialogues, very necessary to be read of all Christians. Translated into Englishe, by Iohn Shute, accordyng to the late copy set forth, by th'author Maister Peter Viret. 1565. Ouersene and perused, accordyng to the order appointed, by the Queenes maiesties iniunctions.
London: printed by John Day, 1565London: printed by Iohn Day, 1565
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T. Thou sayest nothing at all of such as employ their whole study and travail to do evil, If every one of us would take so great travail in the search of this holy work, whereof thou speakest, as doth the thief to rob, or the whore in the use of her whoredom, we should accomplish a goodly work. The thieves rise up in the night, & put them selves in great danger and, take very great pains to cut ⟨p. 19⟩mens throats: and we will not once lift up our head from our pillow to waken us, and to open our eyes to behold and consider those things that appertain to our salvation. Satan our mortal enemy is so diligent, and continually lieth in wait to find means how to ruinate and destroy 1us, and we of our part are utterly slothful and negligent in arming our selves against his ambushes and assaults, whereby we might avoid his snares. Wherefore all things well considered, I see very small reason wherewith to excuse men: For there is no man but may find means sufficient to attain to this knowledge of God. If that we were so careful of the eternal life, as we are of this present life, and would as willingly seek for the one, as for the other: for there is nothing that might aid us in that behalf, but God hath given it unto us.
T. THou sayest nothng at all of such as employe theyr whole study and trauayle to do euyl, If euery one of vs would take so great trauayle in the searche of this holy worke, wherof thou speakest, as doth the theefe to rob, or the whore in the vse of her whoredome, we should accomplishe a goodly woorke. The theues rise vp in the night, & put them selues in great daunger and, take very great paynes to cut ⟨p. 19⟩mens throtes: and we wyll not once lift vp our heade from our pillow to waken vs, and to open our eyes to beholde and consider those thinges that appertayne to our saluation. Satan our mortal enemy is so dillgent, and continually lyeth in wayte to find meanes howe to ruinate and destroy 1vs, and we of our part are vtterly slothful and negligent in arming our selues againste his ambusshes and assaultes, wherby we might auoyde hys snares. Wherefore all thinges wel considered, I see verye small reason wherewith to excuse men: For there is no man but maye fynde meanes sufficient to attayne to this knowledge of God. If that we were so careful of the eternal life, as we are of this present lyfe, and would as wyllinglye seeke for the one, as for the other: for ther is nothing that might ayde vs in that behalfe, but God hath geuen it vnto vs.
D. Saint Paul was not ignorant of this, and therefore although he say that he hath obtained mercy for his 1persecuting the Church of God through ignorance, yet doth he not excuse himself by the same, nor letteth to show the grievousness of his sin, calling himself the greatest of sinners, a blasphemer, a persecutor, a man full of violence and oppression, and acknowledgeth him self worthy of death and eternal damnation. If God of his great mercy and grace had not succoured him, whereof he should not have needed, if that he had not sinned, or if that his ignorance mought have excused him. For how good so ever his meaning was, or how great so ever his zeal was toward the law of God, yet notwithstanding his ignorance was not without a great portion of that negligence and carelessness which ⟨p. 20⟩is naturally in men as touching the knowledge of God and godly things, nor without some portion of the pride, rashness, wilfulness, presumption, and arrogance of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of hypocrisy and superstition, which are very great vices, from the which even those that are most perfect and holy, cannot well shift them, although they do not appear unto men. T. If then this doth happen to such as are of the most perfect sort, as to Saint Paul: what shall become then of a sort of glorious and arrogant hypocrites, which are much more full of hypocrisy, then of good conscience, and have a greater care for their own glory and profit, then for the glory of God, and the edification of his church, and have such an opinion of their own knowledge, justice and perfection, that they think that no man may amend or correct any jot thereof? For there be very few such ignorant ones amongst the persecutors of the church, as was saint Paul before his conversion. D. There is no doubt of that. Saint Peter doth also impute unto ignorance, in the sermon that he made in Jerusalem 2upon the day of Pentecost, that which the Jews committed against our Lord Jesus Christ, in the delivering of 3him to death, & preferring of Barabbas before him: yet not withstanding doth not he let to lay it greatly to their charges, as very murderers of the true author of life, and very son of God. T. I perceive by that thou sayest, that God requireth of us very great diligence, and a great humility, abjection, and despising of our selves:
and that our negligence, sloth, presumption, and arrogancy, and our vain glory and opinion that we have of our selves, are most commonly the cause of our damnable ignorance. D. It is even so.
and that our negligence, slothe, presumption, and arrogancye, and our vayne glory and opinion that we haue of our selues, are most commonly the cause of our damnable ignorāce. D. It is euē so.
T. I May well understand by these, what excuses those men may allege, that say, when they are willed to §21enquire of the will of God, and of his word, and in what sort they should live, that they will understand and know no more in that behalf then they do already know: for that they do already know as much as they ought to know, even as though a man in this whole life time were able to come to such perfection of knowledge and understanding of godly things, that nothing mought be added thereunto. D. Saint Paul, who was taken up into the third 1heaven, and did there understand of things, of the which it is not lawful for any man to speak: was never of that opinion. For he doth declare, that all that ever we may understand upon the earth, of those matters, is nothing else but 2as we should behold a thing in a glass, or in a dark cloud or mist. Wherefore whilst that we do live in this world, we must think that we are always like unto little children, as touching this godly understanding, and that we have need to profit and increase in the same daily, even as do the little children that are at the school: and that we shall never see it as it is, until that we be with God, and see him face to face, and know him as he hath known us. For if there be no man of so excellent a spirit, that ever may attain unto the perfect understanding of human and visible things, nor yet of one of those sciences that appertaineth unto this earthly life: how great presumption is it then for man, which is wholly created ignorant, as touching godly things, so much to challenge to him self the knowledge and understanding of those things, of the which the Angels themselves cannot perfectly understand: T. Surely it is a great presumption of us, if we think that we be more perfect then are the Angels.
T. I May well vnderstande by these, what excuses those men may alledge, that saye, when they are wylled to §21enquire of the wyll of God, and of his woorde, and in what sorte they should liue, that they wyl vnderstand and knowe no more in that behalfe then they do already know: for that they do already knowe as muche as they ought to knowe, euen as though a man in thys whole lyfe tyme were able to come to suche perfection of knowledge and vnderstanding of godly thinges, that nothing mought be added therunto. D. Saynt Paule, who was taken vp into the thyrde
D. OF the other part there is one thing to be considered in the knowledge and understanding of the will §22of God, which thing few men do note. That is, that we may not judge of that science and knowledge, as we do of divers humane sciences, of the only knowledge where of many men hold them well satisfied, without any further practise of the same. For this godly knowledge consisteth not only in contemplation, requiring nothing but contemplative teachers, to instruct the mind of man, but require also the will, and active Teachers and practisers. And for this cause Christ doth not say only, he that will know, but he that will do the will of him that sent me, he shall know of my doctrine, whether it be of God, or 1whether I speak of my self. For there are, that for curiosity and for some other affection that they have that are desirous to know the will of God, but not to that end to direct their lives according to the same. And therefore our Lord Jesus Christ declareth plainly by these words, that there is nothing that letteth men from the knowledge of the truth of God, but only the want of the fear of God, and of good will to obey and honour him: Wherefore it followeth that there is no true knowledge of God, but only that which is joined with this good and prompt will, and that none can judge of the Lords doctrine, but those that are of such a mind. T. If the matter be so, a man may not think, that he understandeth or knoweth any thing, although he have all the holy scriptures by hart, and that he can devise and discourse thereof at pleasure like an Angel: if he have not the effect of that doctrine imprinted in his hart, and that he be as it were clothed with the same, in such sort as he may put the same in practise at all times.
D. OF the other parte there is one thing to be considered in the knowledge and vnderstanding of the wil §22of God, which thing fewe men doo note. That is, that we may not iudge of that science and knowledge, as wee doo of diuers humane sciences, of the onelye knowledge wher of many men hold them well satisfied, wythoute anye further practise of the same. For thys godlye knowledge consisteth not onelye in contemplacion, requiring nothing but contemplatiue teachers, to instruct the mynde of man, but requyre also the wyll, and actiue Teachers and practisers. And for thys cause Christ doth not say onely, hee that wyll knowe, but he that wyll doo the wyll of hym that sent me, he shall knowe of my doctrine, whether it be of God, or
D. That is very true. For if it were sufficient to have only a bare knowledge of Gods word, and so behold §23it in the air, without having of the will reformed by the same, the devil should in this sort exceed all men in religion: For he hath knowledge and understanding enough, if that he had a will according to the same. And therefore, it is not only needful for us to hear the word of God, and to study the same, for to understand that, that is contained in that same doctrine, and then to proceed no further, and to make it as it were a study of Philosophy contemplative: But we do chiefly need to wrap and clothe us therein, and to put in use, and to practise in our lives that which we do understand and know, or else to what end doth our knowledge and understanding serve?
D. THat is verye true. For if it were sufficient to haue onely a bare knowledge of Gods woorde, and so beholde §23it in the ayre, wythout hauing of the wyll reformed by the same, the deuill shoulde in thys sorte exceede al men in religion: For hee hath knowledge and vnderstandyng inoughe, if that he had a wyll according to the same. And therfore, it is not onelye needefull for vs to heare the word of God, and to studye the same, for to vnderstande that, that is contayned in that same doctrine, and then to proceede no further, and to make it as it were a studye of Philosophye contemplatiue: But we doo chiefly neede to wrap and clothe vs therein, and to put in vse, and to practise in our lyues that whych we doo vnderstande and knowe, or els to what ende doth our knowledge and vnderstanding serue?
For to what end doth a man learn an occupation? Is it for that he will never use it, or else only to talk of it, without practising the same. Wouldest thou think him perfect in any occupation, that never did practise the same, nor never declared his experience by any piece of his work? T. No truly. D. Wouldest thou then think him to be a good Christian, that only doth boast him of the name and knowledge of Christianity, without the declaring of the same by his works. T. No in deed.
For to what ende doth a manne learne an occupacion? Is it for that he wyll neuer vse it, or els onelye to talke of it, wythout practising the same. Wouldest thou thyncke hym perfect in anye occupation, that neuer did practise the same, nor neuer declared hys experience by anye peece of hys woorke? T. No truelye. D. Wouldest thou then thinke hym to be a good Christian, that onelye doth boaste hym of the name and knowledge of Christianitye, wythoute the declaryng of the same by hys woorkes. T. No in deede.
D. And now, which thinkest thou more worthy of blame, either he that doth know no occupation, and worketh not: or else he that hath a good occupation, and had rather to loiter, and to be slothful and idle, ⟨p. 24⟩then to work at his occupation? T. This last man, which doth most abuse the gift of God. Wherefore, if I should see such men in necessity, I would not very willingly give alms to him that hath had so small care to learn some occupation, whereby he might justly live: much less to give unto him that had rather fast, and become a beggar, then to work and travail for his living, when he may. D. And how wouldest thou handle him, that hath a goodly wit, and is well exercised and very excellent in some occupation, and doth travail in the same with all diligence, but not to do any thing, whereby the glory of God, or the wealth of his neighbour might be advanced: but rather to let and hinder both the one and the other, and to live in all villainy and filthiness? T. I would judge him worthy to be hanged, or at the least to be whipped. For if the others be worthy to be accounted unprofitable and wicked, this kind of man is much more worthy to be so accounted of: in as much as he is not 1only content to hide in the earth the talents that God hath given him, and so to keep them without yielding any profit of them: but that worse is, he bestoweth them wickedly, employing them in all that he may, to the hindrance and loss of his master, and to make wars against him, at whose hands he hath received them. D. Then consider thou well, whether the Christian be worthy of great blame, that hath no understanding of Christianity, nor of that occupation, whereof he beareth the name. What honour is this man worthy of, that hath the knowledge thereof, and abuseth the same, and doth not only, not practise the same in life, but converteth the gifts that he hath received of God, into weapons wherewith to make wars against him, and against his own salvation: to what end serveth this knowledge? T. It serveth to his more speedy condemnation, and to increase his judgement more and more.
D. ANd nowe, whyche thynkest thou more woorthye of blame, eyther hee that doth knowe no occupacion, and woorketh not: or els hee that hathe a good occupacion, and hadde rather to loyter, and to be slothfull and idle, ⟨p. 24⟩
D. SAynt Paule was not ignorant of thys, and therefore although he saye that he hath obtayned mercy for hys 1persecuting the Churche of God throughe ignoraunce, yet doth he not excuse hymselfe by the same, nor letteth to shew the greuousnes of hys synne, calling hymselfe the greatest of synners, a blasphemer, a persecutor, a man full of violence and oppression, and acknowledgeth hym selfe woorthye of deathe and eternall damnacion. If God of hys great mercye and grace had not succoured hym, whereof he shoulde not haue needed, if that he had not synned, or if that hys ignoraunce mought haue excused hym. For howe good so euer hys meanyng was, or howe greate so euer hys zeale was towarde the lawe of God, yet notwithstandyng his ignoraunce was not wythoute a great portion of that negligence and carelesnesse whyche ⟨p. 20⟩is naturallye in men as touching the knowledge of God and godlye thynges, nor wythoute some portion of the pride, rashnes, wylfulnesse, presumption, and arrogancie of the Phariseis, and of the leauen of hipocrisye and superstition, which are verye great vices, from the whych euen those that are most perfect and holy, cannot well shyft them, although they doo not appeare vnto men. T. If then thys doth happen to such as are of the most perfect sorte, as to Saynt Paule: what shall become then of a sort of glorious and arrogant hipocrites, which are much more full of hypocrisy, then of good conscience, and haue a greater care for their owne glory and profyt, then for the glory of God, and the edification of hys church, and haue such an opinion of their owne knowledge, iustice and perfection, that they thinke that no man may amende or correct any iot thereof? For there be very few such ignorant ones amongst the persecutors of the church, as was saint Paule before his cōuersion. D. Ther is no doubt of that. Saint Peter doth also impute vnto ignorance, in the sermon that he made in Hierusalem 2vpon the day of Pentecost, that which the Iewes cō mitted against our Lord Iesus Christ, in the deliuering of 3him to death, & preferring of Barrabas before him: yet not withstanding doth not he let to lay it greatly to their charges, as very murtherers of the true autor of life, and verye sonne of God. T. I perceiue by that thou sayest, that God requireth of vs very great diligence, and a great humility, abiection, and despising of our selues: