Wherefore are the bread and wine called by the name of the body and blood of Jesus Christ, if they be not that body and blood.

VVherfore are the breade and wyne called by the name of the body and bloud of Iesus Christ, if they be not that body and bloud.

M. I Am satisfied touching that point, but I have yet some difficulty concerning that which thou hast said, that the bread and the wine are not the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Supper: and yet it seemeth that Jesus Christ sayeth the contrary clean. For he calleth them his body and his blood by his own words which thou hast even now alleged.

M. I Am satisfied touching that poynte, but I haue yet some difficultie concerning that which thou hast said, that the bread and the wine are not the body and bloud of Iesus Christ in the Supper: and yet it séemeth that Iesus Christ saieth the contrarie cleane. For he calleth them his body and his bloud by his owne wordes which thou hast euē now alledged.

P. But he meaneth not thereby that the bread & wine are his body and blood in proper substance, in such sort as their substance is converted into the substance of his body and blood.

P. But he meaneth not thereby that the breade & wine are his body and bloude in proper substance, in suche sort as their substance is cōuerted into the substance of his bodye and bloud.

P. There are chiefly two reasons not only for that he used it, but also why that manner of speech is more proper and more plain in that matter than any other.

P. There are chiefely two reasons not only for that he vsed it, but also why that maner of speache is more proper and more plaine in that matter than any other.

M. Which is the first of these reasons?

P. It is that when the holy scripture speaketh of Sacraments, it doth willingly name the signs with the names of the things which are signified by them. And therefore Jesus Christ would accommodate himself to that speech which the holy Ghost hath alway accustomed to use in the Church, because that it is familiar and easy to understand to God his people with whom he hath to do, and unto whom he doth address his doctrine.

P. It is that when the holy scripture speaketh of Sacramentes, it doth willingly name the signes with the names of the thinges whiche are signified by them. And therfore Iesus Christ would accōmodate himselfe to that speache which the holy Ghost hath alwaye accustomed to vse in the Church, bycause that it is familiar and easye to vnderstand to God his people with whō he hath to doe, and vnto whom he doth addresse his doctrine.

M. And why is it that the holy Ghost speaketh rather this language than otherwise?

M. And why is it yt the holy Ghost speaketh rather this lāguage than otherwise?

P. Because it is more agreeable to this matter than any other.

P. Bycause it is more agréeable to this matter than any other.

M. For what cause?

P. For so much as the Lord will give us to understand by such phrases of speech, that albeit that the signs of the Sacraments be not the very same things which are signified by them, yet notwithstanding they are not without them.

P. For so muche as the Lorde will giue vs to vnderstand by suche phrases of speache, that albeit that the signes of the Sacramentes be not the very same thinges which are signified by them, yet notwithstanding they are not without them.

Of the manner in the which the body and the blood of Jesus Christ are present in the supper, and are communicate to the faithful as well as the signs which represent them.

Of the manner in the vvhiche the bodie and the bloud of Iesus Christe are present in the supper, and are communicate to the faithfull as vvell as the signes vvhich represent them.

M. IN what sort then are they there, if the signs remain still in their own substance.

M. IN what sorte then are they there, if the signes remayn stil in their own substance.

P. Albeit they be not there by a natural, corporal & material presence as the visible signs which are there given to us: that notwithstanding they be thereby a divine & spiritual virtue and manner, whereby God, by the virtue of his holy spirit, doth make partaker of them all such as by true and lively faith, do receive his word and his sacraments, by which he confirmeth the same in our harts.

P. Albeit they be not there by a naturall, corporall & materiall presence as the visible signes whiche are there giuen to vs: that notwithstanding they be thereby a diuine & spirituall vertue and maner, wherby God, by the vertue of his holy spirite, doth make partaker of them all suche as by true and liuely faithe, doe receiue his word and his sacraments, by which he cōfirmeth the same in our harts.

Of the substantial and natural conjunction of the body and blood of Jesus Christ, with the bread and with the wine of the Supper.

Of the substantiall and naturall coniunction of the bodie and bloud of Iesus Christ, with the bread and vvith the vvine of the Supper.

M. But if the bread and the wine do not change their substance, and neither be transubstantiated, converted nor changed into the body and the blood of Jesus Christ, may not then the body ⟨p. 335⟩and blood of Jesus Christ be well joined to them in their own proper substance & nature?

M. BVt if the breade and the wine doe not chaunge their substaunce, and neyther be transubstantiated, conuerted nor changed into the bodie and the bloud of Iesus Chryste, may not then the bodie ⟨p. 335⟩and bloud of Iesus Chryste be well ioyned to them in their owne proper substāce & nature?