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Of the contrariety that is between the corporal presence of Jesus Christ in the Supper, and his ascension into heaven.

Of the contrarietie that is betvvene the corporall presence of Iesus Chryst in the Supper, and his ascention into heauen.

P. I grant them all that. But why is it then that they forge us a corporal and ⟨p. 332⟩natural presence of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the stead of a supernatural and spiritual presence.

P. I graunte them all that. But why is it then that they forge vs a corporall and ⟨p. 332⟩naturall presence of the bodie and bloud of Iesus Chryste in the stéede of a supernaturall and spiritual presence.

M. They say that the same corporal and natural presence doth not at all hinder the supernatural and spiritual.

M. They say that the same corporall and naturall presence doth not at all hinder the supernaturall and spirituall.

Pet. Albeit that they say it, it doth not therefore follow that it is so. And on the other side. I see not how they will agree their opinion with the articles of our faith, by which we do confess, not only that Jesus Christ is gone up into heaven, but also that he is there set at the right hand of the Father, and that from thence he shall come in Judgement by a visible and corporal presence, even as he went up visibly & corporally,¹ according to the very testimony of the Angels, and also of Saint Peter, who hath said, that the Heaven must needs receive him, until the time of the restoring of all things, whereof God hath spoken by the mouth of all his Prophets since the beginning.

Pet. Albeit that they saye it, it doth not therfore followe that it is so. And on the other syde. I sée not howe they will agrée their opinion with the articles of oure faythe, by whiche wée doe confesse, not only that Iesus Christe is gone vp into heauen, but also that he is there sette at the ryght hande of the Father, and that from thence hée shall come in Iudgemente by a visyble and corporall presence, euen as he went vp visibly & corporally,¹ according to the verie testimonie of the Angels, and also of Sainte Peter, who hath sayd, that the Heauen muste néedes receyue hym, vntill the tyme of the restoring of all thyngs, wherof God hath spoken by the mouthe of all his Prophetes since the beginning.

1. 1Acts. 1. b. 3. d.

The eighteenth Dialogue is of the presence of Jesus Christ in heaven, and in the supper and in his Church.

The eightenth Dialogue is of the presence of Iesus Christe in heauen, and in the supper and in his Church.

Whether the ascension of Jesus Christ be a true ascension or no, or else if he made himself only invisible.

VVhether the ascention of Iesus Christe be a true ascention or no, or else if he made himselfe only inuisible.

MATTHEW. IT seemeth to me that all that which thou hast spoken of the ascension of Jesus Christ, is nothing against the opinion of those against whom thou hast so long disputed, for they deny not that Jesus Christ is gone up into Heaven, neither that he shall come visibly and bodily to judge the living and the dead, even as thou hast said.

MATHEVV. IT séemeth to me that all that whiche thou hast spoken of the ascētion of Iesus Christ, is nothing against the opiniō of those against whom thou hast so long disputed, for they denie not that Iesus Christe is gone vp into Heauē, neyther that he shall come visiblie and bodily to iudge the liuing and the dead, euen as thou hast said.

P. How do they then agree their doctrine with this confession?

P. How do they then agrée their doctrine with this confession?

M. They allege two things upon this point. The first is, that the heaven and the right hand of God where Jesus Christ is, do stretch over all. The other is, that the coming of Jesus Christ which is made by the sacrament, ⟨p. 334⟩the Supper is invisible: wherefore albeit that he be there bodily in the proper substance of his body & blood, yet is he not there visibly, but invisibly.

M. They alleadge two things vppon this pointe. The firste is, that the heauen and the right hand of God where Iesus Christe is, do stretche ouer all. The other is, that the comming of Iesus Christ which is made by the sacrament, ⟨p. 334⟩the Supper is inuisible: wherfore albeit that he bée there bodily in the propre substance of his bodie & bloud, yet is he not there visibly, but inuisibly.

P. If they make no space between the earth and the heaven, and that they will stretch out the heaven even to the earth in such sort that Christ hath not absented him from the earth, as touching his body, and that he did retire himself, when he went up into heaven, it may not then be said, that he is ascended as the Scripture witnesseth, but that he hath always remained upon earth, without departing from thence, against that which he himself did prophesy to his disciples. It must also be said, that he should then have made him self invisible to them, and that he were still yet on earth, not visible, but invisible.

P. If they make no space betwéene the earth and the heauen, and that they will stretche out the heauen euen to the earth in suche sort that Chryst hath not absented him from the earth, as touchyng his bodie, and that he didde retire himselfe, when he went vp into heauen, it may not then be sayde, that he is ascended as the Scripture witnesseth, but that he hathe alwayes remayned vppon earthe, without departing from thence, agaynst that whiche he himselfe did prophecie to his disciples. It muste also be sayde, that hée should then haue made hym selfe inuisible to them, and that he were stil yet on earth, not visible, but inuisible.

Howe that the presence corporal of Jesus Christ in the Supper may have no place except he have an infinite body, or many.

Hovve that the presence corporall of Iesus Christ in the Supper may haue no place excepte he haue an infinite bodie, or manye.

M. I Know not what to say to thee herein: For if it were so, then should there be no true ascension of Jesus Christ ⟨p. 319⟩into heaven.

M. I Know not what to say to thée herein: For if it were so, then shoulde there be no true ascētion of Iesus Christ ⟨p. 319⟩into heauen.

P. Albeit that it were so, yet must it needs be, that he have a body infinite to be in so many places at ones: or else that he have an infinite number of bodies to be in so many places at once, as they would have him.

P. Albeit that it were so, yet must it néedes be, that he haue a body infinite to be in so many places at ones: or else that he haue an infinite number of bodies to be in so many places at once, as they wold haue him.