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Whether a man may conclude of the words of Saint Paul, that a man may receive the body and the blood of Jesus Christ in the supper, to condemnation.

VVhether a man maye conclude of the vvords of Sainct Paule, that a man may receyue the body and the bloud of Iesus Christ in the supper, to condemnation.

P. Thou concludest very well, but they which hold the opinion against the which we dispute at this present, ⟨p. 358⟩make no difference to affirm that the infidels receive in the supper the body & the blood of Jesus Christ, & that they receive them to their condemnation. For they build themselves upon that which s. Paul hath said. That who so eateth in the supper the bread & drinketh the wine of the lord unworthily,¹ doth eat and drink his condemnation.

P. THou concludest very well, but they which houlde the opinion againste the whiche we dispute at this presente, ⟨p. 358⟩make no difference to affirme that the infidels receiue in the supper the body & the blud of Iesus Christ, & that they receyue thē to their condēpnation. For they build themselues vpō that which s. Paule hath saide. That who so eateth in the supper the bread & drincketh the wine of ye lorde vnworthily,¹ doth eate and drinke his condempnation.

1. 11. cor. 21. f. g

M. I know well that those men affirm that which thou sayest. But I cannot well agree their opinion with the matters the which we have already handled. And as touching that which they allege of S. Paul, he saith not, who so shall eat the body and drink the blood unworthily, shall receive his condemnation, but he saith, he that shall eat of this bread & shall drink of this cup.

M. I know well that those mē affirme that which thou saist. But I cannot well agrée their opinion with the matters the which we haue alredy handled. And as touching that which they alledge of S. Paule, he sayth not, who so shall eate the body and drincke the bloud vnworthily, shal receiue his condempnation, but he saith, he that shall eate of this bread & shall drinke of this cup.

P. Thou hast also to note beside this, that there is difference between receiving the supper unworthily, & to receive it without faith, and as touching the word of condemnation, it may be also taken in divers manners, but we will now no longer dwell upon these two points. It is sufficient for us to know that the body and the blood of Jesus Christ cannot be truly received but by the faithful.

P. Thou hast also to note beside this, that there is difference betwene receiuing the supper vnworthily, & to receiue it without faith, and as touching the word of condempnation, it may be also taken in diuers maners, but wée will now no longer dwell vpon these two pointes. It is sufficient for vs to knowe that the bodye and the bloud of Iesus Christ cannot bée truely receyued but by the faythfull.

Of the principal difference that may be between the transubstantiation of the bread and of the wine into the body and the blood of Jesus christ and the bodily conjunction of them together.

Of the principall difference that maye be betvveene the transsubstanciation of the bread and of the vvine into the bodie and the bloud of Iesus christ and the bodily coniunction of them together.

M. I Do well understand by all the reasons & testimonies which thou hast brought out of the holy scriptures, that we may seek no corporal nor carnal presence of Jesus christ, neither in the supper, nor yet in all this visible world, but only a spiritual and divine presence. Wherefore when I have well considered the whole, I find no great difference, between them that affirm, that the bread and the wine be converted & transubstantiated into the body & blood of Jesus christ in the supper, by the virtue of the sacramental words, & those which affirm, that albeit that the bread & the wine remain still in their own substance, yet notwithstanding, the body & blood of Jesus christ be there also present with them, in their proper and natural substance, not only spiritually, but also corporally & substantially, as are the bread & the wine.

M. I Do well vnderstand by all the reasons & testimonies which thou hast brought out of ye holy scriptures, that we may seke no corporal nor carnall presēce of Iesus christ, neither in the supper, nor yet in all thys visible worlde, but only a spirituall and diuine presence. Wherfore whē I haue well considered the whole, I finde no great difference, betwene them that affirme, yt the bread and the wine be conuerted & transubstanciated into ye bodie & blud of Iesus christ in the supper, by the vertue of the sacramentall wordes, & those which affirme, that albeit that the bread & the wine remayne still in their owne substāce, yet notwithstāding, ye body & blud of Iesus christ be there also present with thē, in their proper and natural substāce, not only spiritually, but also corporally & substancially, as are ye bread & the wine.

P. There is no great difference but in that that the one sort thinking to avoid ⟨p. 344⟩the absurdities which follow the opinion of the others, do fall into other absurdities which are nothing less, of the which we will no more speak here, because the matter would be to long, whereof we have already sufficiently spoken.

P. There is no great difference but in yt that ye one sort thinking to auoid ⟨p. 344⟩the absurdities which follow the opinion of the others, do fall into other absurdities which are nothing lesse, of the which we will no more speake here, bycause the matter woulde be to long, whereof we haue alredy sufficiently spoken.

Of the union that is between Jesus Christ and his members, signified by the bread and the wine in the Supper.

Of the vnion that is betvvene Iesus Christ and his members, signified by the breade and the vvine in the Supper.

M. I Am very well contented for this time with that which thou hast said, and therefore show me now, what properties the bread and the wine have yet, which are agreeable to this Sacrament of the Supper, beside that which thou hast already said.

M. I Am very well contented for thys time with that which thou hast said, and therefore shewe me now, what properties the bread and the wine haue yet, which are agreable to this Sacramente of the Supper, beside that whiche thou hast already said.

P. I have already said that those signs were agreeable to this sacrament, because they be apt to represent the spiritual nurture by the bodily.

P. I haue already sayd that those signs were agreable to this sacrament, bycause they be apte to represent the spirituall nouriture by the bodily.

M. I do very well remember this point.

M. I doe very well remember thys pointe.

P. Thou hast also to note upon the same, that as one loaf and one vessel of wine are made of many grains gathered together, even so do they in the Supper represent unto us, how that all the children of God which are dispersed, ⟨p. 345⟩are gathered & brought together in one, and united with Jesus Christ their head, by his death,¹ as Saint John doth witness.

P. Thou hast also to note vppon the same, that as one lofe and one vessell of wine are made of many graines gathered togither, euen so doe they in the Supper represente vnto vs, how that al the children of God which are dispersed, ⟨p. 345⟩are gathered & broughte togither in one, and vnited with Iesus Christ their head, by his deathe,¹ as Saincte Iohn doth witnesse.

1. 1John. 11. gIohn. 11. g

M. Thou wilt then say, that that union which is made of many grains, in one loaf or in one wine, doth signify unto us the union that is between Jesus Christ and his Church, to wit, between the head and the members.

M. Thou wilte then saye, that that vniō which is made of many graines, in one lofe or in one wine, doth signifie vnto vs the vnion that is betwene Iesus Christ and his Church, to witte, betwene the head and the mēbers.