A14463:2135
A Christian instruction, containing the law and the Gospel Also a summary of the principal points of the Christian faith and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certain dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Province. Translated by I.S. Seen and allowed according to the Queens Majesties injunctions.A Christian instruction, conteyning the law and the Gospell Also a summarie of the principall poyntes of the Christian fayth and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certayne dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Prouince. Translated by I.S. Seene and allowed according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.
London: printed by Henry Bynneman? for Abraham Veale, 1573
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
M. I Do well understand by all the reasons & testimonies which thou hast brought out of the holy scriptures, that we may seek no corporal nor carnal presence of Jesus christ, neither in the supper, nor yet in all this visible world, but only a spiritual and divine presence. Wherefore when I have well considered the whole, I find no great difference, between them that affirm, that the bread and the wine be converted & transubstantiated into the body & blood of Jesus christ in the supper, by the virtue of the sacramental words, & those which affirm, that albeit that the bread & the wine remain still in their own substance, yet notwithstanding, the body & blood of Jesus christ be there also present with them, in their proper and natural substance, not only spiritually, but also corporally & substantially, as are the bread & the wine.
M. I Do well vnderstand by all the reasons & testimonies which thou hast brought out of ye holy scriptures, that we may seke no corporal nor carnall presēce of Iesus christ, neither in the supper, nor yet in all thys visible worlde, but only a spirituall and diuine presence. Wherfore whē I haue well considered the whole, I finde no great difference, betwene them that affirme, yt the bread and the wine be conuerted & transubstanciated into ye bodie & blud of Iesus christ in the supper, by the vertue of the sacramentall wordes, & those which affirme, that albeit that the bread & the wine remayne still in their owne substāce, yet notwithstāding, ye body & blud of Iesus christ be there also present with thē, in their proper and natural substāce, not only spiritually, but also corporally & substancially, as are ye bread & the wine.
P. There is no great difference but in that that the one sort thinking to avoid ⟨p. 344⟩the absurdities which follow the opinion of the others, do fall into other absurdities which are nothing less, of the which we will no more speak here, because the matter would be to long, whereof we have already sufficiently spoken.
P. There is no great difference but in yt that ye one sort thinking to auoid ⟨p. 344⟩the absurdities which follow the opinion of the others, do fall into other absurdities which are nothing lesse, of the which we will no more speake here, bycause the matter woulde be to long, whereof we haue alredy sufficiently spoken.
M. I Am very well contented for this time with that which thou hast said, and therefore show me now, what properties the bread and the wine have yet, which are agreeable to this Sacrament of the Supper, beside that which thou hast already said.
M. I Am very well contented for thys time with that which thou hast said, and therefore shewe me now, what properties the bread and the wine haue yet, which are agreable to this Sacramente of the Supper, beside that whiche thou hast already said.
P. I have already said that those signs were agreeable to this sacrament, because they be apt to represent the spiritual nurture by the bodily.
P. I haue already sayd that those signs were agreable to this sacrament, bycause they be apte to represent the spirituall nouriture by the bodily.
M. I do very well remember this point.
M. I doe very well remember thys pointe.
P. Thou hast also to note upon the same, that as one loaf and one vessel of wine are made of many grains gathered together, even so do they in the Supper represent unto us, how that all the children of God which are dispersed, ⟨p. 345⟩are gathered & brought together in one, and united with Jesus Christ their head, by his death,1 as Saint John doth witness.
P. Thou hast also to note vppon the same, that as one lofe and one vessell of wine are made of many graines gathered togither, euen so doe they in the Supper represente vnto vs, how that al the children of God which are dispersed, ⟨p. 345⟩are gathered & broughte togither in one, and vnited with Iesus Christ their head, by his deathe,1 as Saincte Iohn doth witnesse.
M. Thou wilt then say, that that union which is made of many grains, in one loaf or in one wine, doth signify unto us the union that is between Jesus Christ and his Church, to wit, between the head and the members.
M. Thou wilte then saye, that that vniō which is made of many graines, in one lofe or in one wine, doth signifie vnto vs the vnion that is betwene Iesus Christ and his Church, to witte, betwene the head and the mēbers.
P. It signifieth not only the union which is between Jesus Christ and his members, but also the union which is and ought to be between all the members of his body, which cannot be united with their head Jesus christ, nor have him for their head, if they be not united among themselves, the one with the other: for Jesus Christ may not be divided. And therefore Saint Paul hath said to the same purpose, that we are all one bread, and therefore we do also every of us part take of one very bread and one very cup.
P. It signifieth not only the vnion which is betwene Iesus Christ and his members, but also the vnion which is and ought to be betwene all the members of his body, which cannot be vnited with their heade Iesus christ, nor haue him for their head, if they be not vnited among themselues, the one with the other: for Iesus Christ may not be deuided. And therefore Sainct Paule hath saide to the same purpose, that we are all one bread, and therefore we do also euery of vs part take of one very bread and one very cuppe.
M. Seeing it is so, it followeth then that the supper is unto us a Sacrament ⟨p. 362⟩of the union & charity, that all the faithful ought to have the one with the other?
M. SEing it is so, it followeth then that the supper is vnto vs a Sacrament ⟨p. 362⟩of the vnion & charitie, yt all the faithfull ought to haue the one with the other?
P. That is not to be doubted, & therefore thou must note, that even as baptism doth admonish us of the perpetual repentance & mortification which ought to be among us all the time of our life: even so hath the supper this proper unto it, that it putteth us in mind of the union & charity whereby we ought to be joined the one with the other, without the which we can not be christians, forsomuch as Jesus Christ setteth it forth unto us for a mark whereby his disciples should be known.
P. That is not to be douted, & therfore thou must note, yt euē as baptisme doth admonish vs of ye perpetual repentāce & mortification which ought to be among vs al ye time of our life: euē so hath ye supper this propre vnto it, yt it putteth vs in mynd of the vnion & charitie wherby we ought to be ioyned the one with ye other, wtout the which we can not be christiās, forsomuch as Iesus Chryst setteth it foorth vnto vs for a marke wherby his disciples shuld be knowne.
M. Seeing it is so, I think assuredly also that we cannot communicate at this holy sacrament of the supper, but to our condemnation, if we have not this charity & union amongst us.
M. Seing it is so, I think assuredly also that we cānot communicate at this holy sacramēt of ye supper, but to our cōdemnatiō, if we haue not this charitie & vnion amongst vs.
P. It is easy to judge.
P. It is easie to iudge.