A14463:2306
A Christian instruction, containing the law and the Gospel Also a summary of the principal points of the Christian faith and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certain dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Province. Translated by I.S. Seen and allowed according to the Queens Majesties injunctions.A Christian instruction, conteyning the law and the Gospell Also a summarie of the principall poyntes of the Christian fayth and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certayne dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Prouince. Translated by I.S. Seene and allowed according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.
London: printed by Henry Bynneman? for Abraham Veale, 1573
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
M. Seeing thou hast said that the Sacraments belong but to such as are already sufficiently instructed in the Christian doctrine, doest thou then think that the others which are not as yet sufficiently instructed, ought to be admitted to the communion of them, & those which have not yielded reason of their Faith, nor yet are able to do it?
M. SEyng thou hast sayde that the Sacramentes belong but to suche as are already sufficiently instructed in the Christian doctrine, doest thou thē thinke that the others whiche are not as yet sufficiently instructed, ought to be admitted to the communion of them, & those which haue not yéelded reason of their Fayth, nor yet are able to doe it?
P. Thou mayst well understand by that which we have already said, whether such men be capable or no, and whether they ought to be admitted thereunto, if they be not capable.
P. Thou mayst well vnderstand by that which wée haue already sayde, whether such men be capable or no, and whether they ought to be admitted therevnto, if they be not capable.
M. They must then be excommunicated.
P. If it be requisite to suspend them and to put them from the admission, until such time as they be more capable, it followeth not therefore that they must be excommunicated except it come to pass that they declare themselves openly to be dogs and swine.
P. Yf it be requisite to suspend them and to put them from the admission, vntill such time as they be more capable, it foloweth not therefore that they muste be excommunicated except it come to passe that they declare thēselues openly to be dogges and swine.
M. Thou doest not account then for dogs and ⟨p. 379⟩swine all such as are not yet sufficiently instructed in the Christian doctrine as is meet.
M. Thou doest not accompt then for dogges and ⟨p. 379⟩swine all such as are not yet sufficiently instructed in the Christian doctrine as is meete.
P. If there be but simple ignorance, & good will to learn, I hold them rather for sheep than for dogs and swine, albeit that they may not as yet be received so far forth in the sheepfold as the others which are already sufficiently instructed: yet may they not be utterly shut out, but may be at the least admitted to the communion of the doctrine and prayers. For Jesus Christ hath many sheep scattered here and there which are not as yet all gathered into the fold, but he bringeth them thither in time.
P. Yf there be but simple ignorance, & good will to learne, I holde them rather for shéepe than for dogges and swine, albeit that they may not as yet be receiued so farre forth in the shéepefold as the others which are already sufficiētly instructed: yet may they not be vtterly shutte out, but may be at the least admitted to the communion of the doctrine and prayers. For Iesus Christe hath many sheepe scattered here and there which are not as yet all gathered into the folde, but he bringeth them thither in time.
M. Which are they then whom thou accountest for dogs and swine.
M. Whiche are they then whome thou accomptest for dogges and swyne.
P. In respect of the doctrine, I account such all those which are not only ignorant of the same, but that which worse is, they will be ignorant of purpose, & they scoff at it, reject it, and blaspheme it, yea and oftentimes do persecute it, and them also which teach it unto them.
P. In respecte of the doctrine, I accompt such all those whiche are not onely ignorant of the same, but that whiche worse is, they will be ignorant of purpose, & they scoffe at it, reiect it, and blaspheme it, yea and oftentimes doe persecute it, and them also whiche teache it vnto them.
M. These men are worthy to be accounted dogs and swine, seeing they so tread under their feet the holy doctrine of GOD, ⟨p. 380⟩and that they turn again upon his servants which set it forth to them, to rent in pieces and devour them.
M. These men are woorthy to be accompted dogges and swyne, séeyng they so treade vnder theyr féete the holy doctrine of GOD, ⟨p. 380⟩and that they turne againe vpon his seruants which set it foorth to them, to rente in pieces and deuowre them.
P. Thou hast touched the very marks, the which Jesus Christ hath given of dogs and swine, & therefore these men deserve not only to be cast forth from the communion of the Sacraments, but also from the communication of the doctrine, & to be clearly shut from the assemblies of the Church.
P. Thou hast touched the very markes, the which Iesus Christe hath giuen of dogges and swine, & therefore these men deserue not only to be cast forth from the communion of the Sacraments, but also from the cō munication of the doctrine, & to be clearly shut from the assemblies of the Church.
M. Thou haste now spoken of them which declare themselves dogs & swine touching the doctrine: but thou hast not spoken of them yet who declare themselves such by their wicked life.
M. THou haste nowe spoken of them which declare themselues dogges & swine touchyng the doctrine: but thou hast not spoken of them yet who declare themselues such by their wicked life.
P. Thou mayst place in this rank, all such as lead licentious lives, and make none account of amendment what admonition soever be given unto them, but do contemn or rather outrage those which do admonish and blame them.
P. Thou mayst place in this ranke, all such as leade licentious liues, and make none accompt of amendement what admonition soeuer be giuen vnto them, but doe contemne or rather outrage those which doe admonish and blame them.