The other place of Saint Chrysostom hath less force for proof of Real presence,1 although Master Rainolds deck ⟨p. 201⟩& garnish it all he can, as if he would make say thereof. The most that Saint Chrysostom saith is, that Christ sitting with his father above at the same moment is handled with all mens hands: 2wherein first of all private mass, used in the Popish synagogues, •eceaveth a blow. For Chrysostom saith, Christ is handled wit• all m•ns hands […] the Popish mass the priest only h• adl•h all, that is handled. […] who is so •imple not to see […] m••ni•g of that godly and eloquent father, in this kind of speech? Do all men handle Christ with their hands indeed? doth Saint Chrysostom mean a real handling, as a man handleth bread?3 do yourselves think thus grossly, •r else for a show pretend you to maintain the same? That Christ may thus be handled taken up, laid down, broken, eaten, swallowed, removed from place to place, tossed to and fro, and all this, as you speak, really, is monstrous, and loathsome doctrine, in the ears and harts of all godly and reasonable men. This S. Chrysostom once to have imagined, never shall you show in this world. Chrysostom meaneth the sacrament of Christ, which we handle indeed, and which in some sense in called Christ himself. ⟨p. 202⟩This to be most true, is plain by Chrysostom in the same place.4 For he saith, We see the Lord sacrificed, and the people are sprinkled, and made red with his blood: and this done plainly without deceit in the sight of all men. If Chrysostom may be allowed to expound himself, your gloss of real handling Christ in the sacrament must give place. For if he meant, as you mean, that Christ is handled indeed, then meant he also that Christ is sacrificed indeed in our sight, that the people are dyed and embrued with blood indeed, that all men see the same indeed. For these speeches are all of one stamp, all after one sort to be understood: as one part is true, so is another. Then tell us M.R. if Christ be sacrificed indeed, if the people be embrued with his blood indeed, if this be evident to all men indeed: you may not urge us so extremely in one, and give us the slip in all the rest. Let us then consider what reply you make to this answer, which to be true and sufficient you can not deny.5
The other place of Saint Chrysostome hath lesse force for proofe of Reall presence,1 although Master Rainolds decke ⟨p. 201⟩& garnish it all he can, as if he would make saie thereof. The moste that Saint Chrysostome saith is, that Christ sitting with his father aboue at the same moment is handled with all mens hands: 2wherein first of all priuate masse, vsed in the Popish synagogues, •eceaueth a blowe. For Chr•sostome saith, Christ is handled wit• all m•ns hands 〈…〉 the Popish masse the priest onelie h• adl•h all, that is handled. 〈…〉 whoe is so •imple not to see 〈…〉 m••ni•g of that godlie and eloquent father, in this kinde of speach? Doe all men handle Christ with their handes indeed? doth Saint Chrysostome meane a reall handling, as a man handleth bread?3 do yourselues thinke thus groslie, •r els for a shew pretend you to maintaine the same? That Christ may thus be handled taken vp, laid downe, broken, eaten, swallowed, remoued from place to place, tossed to and fro, and all this, as you speake, really, is monstrous, and lothsome doctrine, in the eares and harts of all godlie and reasonable men. This S. Chrisostome once to haue imagined, neuer shall you shew in this world. Chrisostome meaneth the sacrament of Christ, which we handle indeede, and which in some sense in called Christ himselfe. ⟨p. 202⟩This to be moste true, is plaine by Chrysostome in the same place.4 For he saith, We see the Lord sacrificed, and the people are sprinkled, and made red with his blood: and this done plainly without deceit in the sight of all men. If Chrysostome may be allowed to expound himselfe, your glosse of real handling Christ in the sacrament must giue place. For if he meant, as you meane, that Christ is handled indeed, then meant he also that Christ is sacrificed indeede in our sight, that the people are dyed and embrued with blood indeed, that all men see the same indeed. For these speaches are all of one stampe, all after one sorte to be vnderstood: as one parte is true, so is another. Then tel vs M.R. if Christ be sacrificed indeede, if the people be embrued with his blood indeede, if this be euident to all men indede: you maie not vrge vs so extreamlie in one, and giue vs the slip in all the rest. Let vs then consider what replie you make to this answere, which to be true and sufficient you can not denie.
- 1pag. 214. &c.
- 2Chrysost. de sacerdot. l. 3.
- 3The papists will have Christs flesh •andled Really.The papistes will have Christs flesh •andled Really.
- 4S. Chrysostom expoundeth his own meaning.S. Chrysostome expou•deth his owne meaning.
- 5pag. 220.217. The papists say they see Christ Really sacrificed in their Church.pag. 220.217. The papistes saie they see Christ Really sacrificed in their Church.
