A17186:223
An wholesome antidotus or counter-poison, against the pestilent heresy and sect of the Anabaptists…An holsome antidotus or counter-poysen, agaynst the pestylent heresye and secte of the Anabaptistes…
An wholesome antidotus or counter-poison, against the pestilent heresy and sect of the Anabaptists newly translated out of lati[n] into English by John Veron, SenonoysAn holsome antidotus or counter-poysen, agaynst the pestylent heresye and secte of the Anabaptistes newly translated out of lati[n] into Englysh by Iohn Veron, Senonoys
printed by Humphrey Powell, 1548printed by Humfrey Powell, 1548
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Joia. Doest thou not thou pray this: Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us? Unto these words doth the Lord add, by and by, in the .vi. ⟨image 92⟩chapter of Matthew. If ye do forgive unto men their faults, your father, that is in heaven, shall forgive you also. Seeing therefore, that we do forgive, unto our brethren daily, it followeth, that the father of heaven forgiveth us also daily. Do not the saints or holy men pray so, and that every day? Now, I ask thee, whether they do lye before God: praying thus or not?
Ioia. Doest thou not thou pray this: Forgeue vs our trespasses, as wee forgeue them that trespasse against vs? Vnto these woordes dothe the Lord adde, by and by, in the .vi. ⟨image 92⟩chapiter of Mathew. If ye doo forgeue vnto men their fautes, your father, that is in heauen, shall forgeue you also. Seyng therfore, that wee doo forgeue, vnto oure brethren daily, it foloweth, that the father of heauē forgeueth vs also daily. Do not the saintes or holy men pray so, and that euery day? Nowe, I aske the, whether they do lye before God: praiyng thus or not?
S. They do not lye.
Jo. If they do not lye, it followeth, that they have in them self trespass and since. If so be, that sin, as thou thinkest, is not forgiven, why did Christ teach us to pray so? forgive us our trespass. Is not this an abominable thing, that any man, which knoweth not, what he doeth pray, should take upon him, ⟨image 93⟩not only to be a teacher, but also to teach that which repugueth against the manifest truth and prayers of the Saints? But what thinkest thou of Peter, was he, a faithful Christen man, & elected of God, or not?