Joiada. I can not believe, that this devotion of theirs is without blame, or is sincere and pure. For they divide the church, where no need is. For thou canst not deny, but that god, is taught by us truly and faithfully. And that since are reprehended and rebuked, with great liberty and constancy. What do they therefore, that we do not, save only, that they do separate them selves, from other, and are full of obstinacy? Doeth not Satan also transform him self, into an angel of light? ⟨image 20⟩What marvel is therefore, if these impostors or deceitful persons, can feign them selves, to be shepherds? They that do fish, do not caste a bare hook before the fishes, but do hide & cover it, with some pleasant and sweet bait. And Cato did say very well. Whiles the birder, the birds beguileth, The flute alway sweetly pipeth. Nor he is not so foolish, as for to set or lay his net before the birds eyes. Did not the bishop of Rome seduce us so many years, with his painted hypocrisy, and with his godly and divine dissimulation and fraud? But these things are gone out of remembrance, sith that we do, so lightly addict or bind our selves, to these new impostors, and hypocrites. By what ⟨image 20⟩crafts, did monks get so great riches, was it not, by flattering, and hypocrisy? Was it not, by a feigned sanctimony, and holiness of life? As for that, that they do rejoice, when they are taken, & dye gladly, with praising and lauding god, thou doest so exaggerate and extol it, as though these things (if they be done) should show and prove that their doctrine is true, and that their deeds are good. If thou canst prove that, it shall follow, that theft and robbery, be just and good deeds also. For when they be punished at the gallows, or upon the wheel, they do oftentimes suffer it patiently, & moreover, do praise & laud god. Who is so foolish, to think, that he may thus make his argument? This man ⟨image 21⟩is tormented and punished, & yet not withstanding, doeth give thanks: ergo, he is a just man & holy. If any man, should contend, that this doeth follow, he must needs to grant also, that the religion of the Ives, is most holy, yea, that their religion only is true. For no man▪ doeth pacientlyer endure, to the very death, for his religion, than the Ives do.
Ioiada. I can not beleue, yt this deuocion of theirs is without blame, or is syncere and pure. For thei diuide the churche, where no neade is. For thou canst not denaie, but that god, is taught by vs truely and faithfully. And that synnes are reprehended and rebuked, with great libertee and constauncie. What doe thei therfore, that we doe not, saue onely, that thei doe separate them selues, frō other, and are full of obstinacie? Doeth not Sathā also transforme him selfe, into an āgell of light? ⟨image 20⟩What merueill is therfore, if these impostours or deceitfull persons, can faine them selues, to be sheapeherdes? Thei that doe fisshe, dooe not caste a bare hooke before the fysshes, but doe hyde & couer it, with some pleasaunt and swete baite. And Cato did saie veary well. Whiles the byrder, the byrdes begyleth, The flute alwai swetely pipeth. Nor he is not so foolisshe, as for to set or laye his net before the birdes eies. Did not the bisshop of Rome seduce vs so many yeres, with his peincted hipocrisie, and with his godly and dyuyne dissimulacion and fraude? But these thynges are gon out of remembraunce, sythe that we doe, so lyghtly addicte or bynde our selues, to these newe impostours, and hipocrites. By what ⟨image 20⟩craftes, did monkes get so gret richesses, was it not, by flatteryng, and hypocrisie? Was it not, by a feined sanctimony, and holynesse of lyfe? As for that, yt thei doe reioyce, when thei are taken, & dye gladly, with praysyng and laudyng god, thou doest so exaggerate and extoll it, as though these thynges (if thei be done) shulde shewe and proue that their doctrine is true, and that their deedes are good. If thou canst proue that, it shall folowe, that theft and robbery, be iuste and good deedes also. For whan thei be punisshed at the galows, or vpon the whele, thei doe oftentymes suffer it paciently, & moreouer, doe praise & laude god. Who is so folysshe, to thynke, that he maye thus make his argument? This man ⟨image 21⟩is tormented and punisshed, & yet not withstandynge, dooeth gyue thankes: ergo, he is a iust man & holy. If any man, shulde contende, that this doeth folow, he muste nedes to graunt also, that the religion of the Iues, is moste holy, yea, that their religion onely is true. For no man▪ doeth pacientlyer endure, to the very death, for his religion, thā the Iues doe.
