JO. I am well content. It was a figure that as the infants were then of the family as well of the earthly father, as of the heavenly, and were signed or sealed with their sacraments, that so now, they that are the children of the christians, sith that they are the children of god also, ought to use the sacrament of the children of god. Thou canst find no starting hole, to escape at. For ye do foolishly upon facts and examples, bring in a negative: yea, rather upon neither facts nor examples, that is to say, ye do unwisely make your argument, after this manner: This thing was done, as we may prove both by testimonies & examples: Ergo, that thing ought not to be done. For what other thing can ye allege for your selves: but we do not read, that the apostles did baptise infants: ergo, they ought not to be baptized. ⟨image 42⟩We do not so: but we might stay our selves upon facts & examples (if ye would stand to) after this manner. The infants of the Hebrews were all baptized under the cloud, & in the sea•, as well as ours. For Paul doth altogether prove there in the foresaid place, that they were no less initiated with our sacraments, than we are our selves. First & formest, then it followeth, that in Pauls time,1 the apostles were wont to baptise infants. Secondly, that whosoever denieth that he doth depravate & mar the sentence of Paul. For what other thing doth he there, but make all things equal? and that we are not above, or superiors unto them, nor they inferiors unto us? For he attributeth the same sacraments unto them, that we have, & the same unto us, that they had, as Colloss. ii. Now all those ancient fathers could not have been baptized as well as we, if we be not all baptized with our family & households. Them all therefore being baptized and made equal unto us it is manifest and plain, that as all their infants were baptized in the red sea in Moses that so in the apostles time, all the children of the christians,2 were baptized in Christ. It is then Synecdochically spoken of the children of Israel: They went all through the sea, ⟨image 42⟩where as, after the letter or literally, the going thorough, is applied only unto them, that were in health, & of age to go through their selves. And all they did eat one spiritual meat, where as they only did eat, that were spiritual, & yet nevertheless it is spoken of all them that did eat. In like manner, if paul in this place had added this word (All) & so had said:
IO. I am wel content. It was a figure yt as ye infants were then of ye family as wel of the earthly father, as of ye heauenly, and were signed or sealed wt theyr sacramentes, yt so now, they that are the children of the christians, syth yt they are the chyldren of god also, ought to vse the sacramente of the children of god. Thou canst finde no starting hole, to escape at. For ye do folyshlye vpon factes and exaumples, brynge in a negatiue: yea, rather vpon neyther factes nor examples, that is to say, ye do vnwisely make your argument, after this maner: Thys thing was done, as we maye proue both by testimonies & examples: Ergo, that thinge oughte not to be done. For what other thing can ye alege for your selfs: but we do not read, that ye apostles did baptise infantes: ergo, they ought not to be baptized. ⟨image 42⟩We do not so: but we might stay our selues vpon facts & examples (if ye woulde stand to) after this maner. The infantes of ye Hebrues were al baptized vnder the cloud, & in the sea•, as well as ours. For Paul doth altogether proue there in ye foresaid place, yt they were no lesse initiated wt our sacraments, thē we are our selues. First & formeste, then it foloweth, yt in Paules time,1 ye apostles were wont to baptise infants. Secondly, yt whosoeuer denieth yt he doth deprauate & marre the sentence of Paul. For what other thing doth he there, but make al things equal? and yt we are not aboue, or superiours vnto thē, nor they inferyours vnto vs? For he attributeth ye same sacramentes vnto thē, yt we haue, & the same vnto vs, yt thei had, as Colloss. ii. Now al those auncient fathers could not haue bene baptized as wel as we, yf we be not al baptized wt our familie & housholdes. Them al therefore being baptized and made equall vnto vs it is manifest and plain, yt as all their infā tes were baptized in ye red sea in Moises yt so in the apostles time, al ye children of ye christians,2 were baptized in Christe. It is then Sinecdochically spokē of ye children of Israel: They went al through the sea, ⟨image 42⟩where as, after ye letter or literally, ye going thorough, is applyed onely vnto thē, yt were in health, & of age to go through their selfes. And al thei did eate one spiritual meate, where as thei only did eate, yt were spiritual, & yet neuerthelesse it is spoken of al them yt did eat. In lyke maner, yf paul in this place had added this word (All) & so had sayd:
- 1The fathers had the same sacraments yt we haveThe fathers had the same sacramēts yt we haue
- 2This figure Senecdoche is when either some whole thing, is taken for part of it, or part of it for the whole, as ye shall hereafter have examples enough.This figure Senecdoche is when eyther some whol thynge, is taken for parte of it, or part of it for the wholl, as ye shall herafter haue examples enowghe.
