2. The Replier alleged against this defence of Ceremonial religious use of Images, especially in Churches, the common consent of our Divines. Against this, the Rej. first opposeth Luther and the Lutherans: and then asketh if they be none of our Divines? To which I answer, that they are in most main points our Divines: but about this business they are no more our, then about Ubiquity, Consubstantiation, &c. for which they disclaim us, even the whole Church of England, as no part of the Catholic Church, but Sectaries, Sacramentarians, &c. Secondly, the history of Luther about Images is well known: how in opposition to Carolastadius, who brake down Images without his consent, he would have them to be tolerated, only for a time, until men were more fully instructed. ⟨p. 285⟩But that he allowed them for good Ceremonies of religion, that cannot be showed. Mr. Fox, in the story of Luther, hath this: Luther misliked the rashness of Caro•astadius, in stirring up the people, to throw down Images, without authority, and before the people were taught, that Images serve to no purpose. Not that he would maintain Images (as he said) to stand, or to be suffered: but that this ought to be done by the Magistrate &c. This was Luther enforced unto, by the slanderers, that accused Protestants of sedition and tumults, &c. This is no argument, for the Magistrate to let Images stand; who may and should remove them, and will not. The cause why Luther did so stand with the standing of Images, was time, and not his own judgement. He wished them away. Nay (as Zuinglius relateth) he turned them, some with their feet upward, and some with their faces toward the wall, & their backs to the people, for to make them not religious, but ridiculous. Thirdly, the Lutherans make this one of their controversies, against Calvin, Beza, &c. whether Images may be tolerated in Churches, or in religious use. Fourthly, Polanus (who was borne among the Lutherans in Silesia) in Ezech. cap. 11. testifieth, that the Lutheran Images, are worshipped of most Lutherans, &c. and therefore are Idols to be avoided. 1And will the Rej. then defend the Lutheran use of Images?
2. The Replier alleged against this defense of Ceremoniall religiouse use of Images, especially in Churches, the common consent of our Divines. Against this, the Rej. first opposeth Luther and the Lutherans: and then asketh if they be none of our Divines? To whiche I answer, that they are in most maine poyntes our Divines: but about this buisinesse they are no more our, then about Vbiquitie, Consubstantiation, &c. for whiche they disclaime us, even the wholle Churche of England, as no part of the Catholicke Churche, but Sectaries, Sacramentarians, &c. Secondly, the historie of Luther about Images is well knowen: how in opposition to Carolastadius, whoe brake downe Images without his consent, he would have them to be tolerated, onely for a tyme, untill men were more fully instructed. ⟨p. 285⟩But that he allowed them for good Ceremonies of religion, that cannot be shewed. Mr. Foxe, in the storie of Luther, hath this: Luther misliked the rashnesse of Caro•astadius, in stirring up the people, to throw down Images, without authoritie, and before the people were taught, that Images serve to no purpose. Not that he would mainteyne Images (as he sayd) to stand, or to be suffered: but that this ought to be doen by the Magistrate &c. This was Luther enforced unto, by the slanderers, that accused Protestantes of sedition and tumultes, &c. This is no argument, for the Magistrate to let Images stand; whoe may and should remove them, and will not. The cause why Luther did so stand with the standing of Images, was time, and not his owne judgement. He wished them away. Nay (as Zuinglius relateth) he turned them, some with their feet upward, and some with their faces toward the wall, & their backes to the people, for to make them not religious, but ridiculous. Thirdly, the Lutherans make this one of their controversies, against Calvin, Beza, &c. whether Images may be tollerated in Churches, or in religious use. Fourthly, Polanus (whoe was borne amonge the Lutherans in Silesia) in Ezech. cap. 11. testifieth, that the Lutheran Images, are worshipped of most Lutherans, &c. and therefore are Idoles to be avoyded. 1And will the Rej. then defende the Lutheran use of Images?
- 1Lutheranorum Imagines, a plerisque Lutheranu coluntur, &c. sunt igitur Idola fugienda ▪
