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A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's worship. Or a triplication unto. D.…A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's vvorship. Or a triplication unto. D.…
A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's worship. Or a triplication unto. D. Burgess his rejoinder for D. Morton The first partA fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's vvorship. Or a triplication unto. D. Burgesse his rejoinder for D. Morton The first part
Amsterdam: printed by the successors of Giles Thorp, 1633
Part › Chapter 4 › SECT. 7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20. Councels, and Ancient… › Kneeling.
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9. To a grave sentence of August. (Hom. 6. de verb. Dom. in Matth.) If you ask how the Pagans may be won, enlightened, called▪ leave all their solemnities, and forsake their toys. The Defendant answered, that those solemnities and toys, are not to be used together with Pagans. The Rejoinder addeth, that Augustine meaneth feasting with Idolaters, in the Temples of Idols, which could not be used apart from Idolaters. Suppose it were so: yet the question remaineth, whether using such toys of theirs apart, as may be used apart, make more for their conversion, or for their hardening, according to Augustine's judgement? But it is not so as the Rejoinder imagineth. For 1. Augustine spake of them, which were present at feasts, made at the solemnity of the Genius or Patron of Carthage, whom those Christians, he reproveth, denied to be an Idol. 2. All the Citizens of Carthage could not celebrate that feast in one Temple. 3. It doeth not appear, that the Patron had any proper Temple. 4. The Citizens being parted into divers places of feasting, why might not the Christians that would keep that feast, have one place apart? 5. Suppose the Christians had taken some part of the Banquet, or made one like it, and carried it into their own Temple, to use it there, with another opinion then the Heathen had; would Augustine have allowed it; 6. The case was at Carthage, as it was in Popish times, with the Company of Smiths at ⟨p. 448⟩London, who after some worship done to their Patron, Dunstan, had a Feast in their Hall. Now if some Protestants refusing to be at their worship in Dunstans Church should yet have been at their Feast in the Hall. I would know, whether they had more symbolized with Papists, in the worship of Dunstan, then our Conformists do in the worship of the Cross?
9. To a grave sentence of August. (Hom. 6. de verb. Dom. in Matth.) If you aske how the Pagans may be wonne, inlightened, called▪ leave all their solemnities, and forsake their toyes. The Defendant answered, that those solemnities and toyes, are not to be used together with Pagans. The Rejoynder addeth, that Augustine meaneth feasting with Idolaters, in the Temples of Idols, which could not be used apart from Idola•ers. Suppose it were so: yet the question remaineth, whether using such toyes of theirs apart, as may be used apart, make more for their conversion, or for their hardening, according to Augustines judgement? But it is not so as the Rejoynder imagineth. For 1. Augustine spake of them, which were present at feasts, made at the solemnity of the Genius or Patron of Carthage, whom those Christians, he reprooveth, denied to be an Idol. 2. All the Citizens of Carthage could not celebrate that feast in one Temple. 3. It doeth not appeare, that the Patrone had any proper Temple. 4. The Citizens being parted into divers places of feasting, why might not the Christians that would keepe that feast, have one place apart? 5. Suppose the Christians had taken some part of the Banket, or made one like it, and carried it into their owne Temple, to use it there, with another opinion then the Heathen had; would Augustine have allowed it; 6. The case was at Carthage, as it was in Popish times, with the Company of Smithes at