The same P. Martyr saith: Certainly, if we did from the heart hate superstition, we would do our endeavour, clean to put out and deface all the footsteps, and monuments thereof. He spake this (answereth the Rejoinder) when Missal attire, Altars, and Crucifixes, were as yet remaining. Now for Missal attire, I know none then remaining, which remaineth not now. Altars also have ⟨p. 462⟩ever since remained in diverse Churches, and are now (for countenance of other Ceremonies) coming up again where they were abolished, with an Idolatrous addition of bowing unto them. Crucifixes will soon follow, and that by good right, if the Defender and Rejo. their grounds be good. For the doctrine being changed, and the materials only of Popish Crucifixes remaining, what can be said, to make them simply unlawful? And for their convenience, who may judge of that, but those that have authority of prescribing and imposing matters of order and decency? But to let that pass, P. Martyr spoke of that time, when he supposed the doctrine reformed; and manifestly riseth in his discourse, from those specials, to the general to all footsteps of superstition, and not those only. But (saith the Rejoinder) the same P. Martyr professeth, no separation would be made for such matters. He saith so in deed of the Surplice, pag. 1127. and so say we; especially upon the same condition, that we may be suffered to abrogate them for our own practise: Ferremus, nobis gratulando quod eas abrogaverimus. To this the Rejoinder addeth diverse sentences of P. Martyrs, somewhat favouring a toleration (for a time) of our Ceremonies, especially in M. Hoppers case. To which I answer 1. that this was in perplexity, caused by the mischief of our Ceremonies, which are therefore so much the more to be hated, even that they have always bred such trouble unto good men, who should have troubles enough,1 though they were abolished. Questions of this kind, are to us somewhat difficult. There is somewhat more hard I confess, of those garments they call holy, & which ⟨p. 463⟩somewhat troubleth me, that I wo•d•r they are so strictly retained. He himself refused to wear the Surplice, and that upon such ground as may move us to refuse it, as he professeth: When I was at Oxford, I would never use those white garments in the Quire, though I were at that time a Canon. 2• had a reason for it.
The same P. Martyr sayth: Certainly, if we did from the heart hate superstition, we would doe our endevour, cleane to put out and deface all the footsteps, and monuments therof. He spake this (answereth the Rejoynder) when Missalattire, Altars, and Crucifixes, were as yet remayning. Now for Missal attire, I know none then remayning, which remayneth not now. Altars also have ⟨p. 462⟩ever since remayned in diverse Churches, and are now (for countenance of other Ceremonies) comming up againe where they were abolished, with an Idolatrous addition of bowing unto them. Crucifixes will soon follow, and that by good right, if the Defender and Rejo. their groundes be good. For the doctrine being changed, and the materials onely of Popish Crucifixes remayning, what can be sayd, to make them simplie unlawfull? And for their conveniencie, whoe may judge of that, but those that have authoritie of praescribing and imposing matters of order and decencie? But to let that passe, P. Martyr spoke of that time, when he supposed the doctrine reformed; and manifestly riseth in his discourse, from those specials, to the general to all footsteps of superstition, and not those onely. But (sayth the Rejoynder) the same P. Martyr professeth, no separation would be made for such matters. He sayth so in deed of the Surplice, pag. 1127. and so say we; especialy upon the same condition, that we may be suffered to abrogate them for our owne practise: Ferremus, nobis gratulando quod eas abrogaverimus. To this the Rejoynder addeth diverse sentences of P. Martyrs, somewhat favoring a toleration (for a time) of our Ceremonies, especialy in M. Hoopers case. To which I answer 1. that this was in perplexitie, caused by the mischief of our Ceremonies, which are therfor so much the more to be hated, even that they have allways bred such trouble unto good men, whoe should have troubles enough,1 though they were abolished. Quaestions of this kind, are to us somwhat difficult. There is somwhat more hard I confesse, of those garments they call holy, & which ⟨p. 463⟩somwhat troubleth me, that I wo•d•r they are so strictly reteined. He himself refused to wear the Surplice, and that upon such ground as may move us to refuse it, as he prof•sseth: When I was at Oxford, I would never use those white •arments in the Quire, though I were at that time a Canon. 2
- 1De vestibus quas vocant sacras fateor aliquid esse du•us, & quod meipsum nonnihil perturbet: ut merer illas tam mordicus retineri.
- 2Ego cum essem Oxonij, vestibus illis albis in Choro nunquā uti volui, quā vis essem Canonicus. Mei facti ratio mihi constabat. Quod verò me movit, & adhuc movet & te sortasse movere poterit, nempe id non esse fac•endum quod ea confirmet, quae conscientia mea non probes.Ego cum essem Oxonij, vestibus illis albis in Choro nunquā uti volui, quā vis essem Canonicus. Mei facti ratio mihi constabat. Quod verò me movit, & adhuc movet & te sortasse movere poterit, nempe id non esse fac•endum quod ea confirmet, quae conscientia mea non probes.
