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Richard Baxter's Catholic theology plain, pure, peaceable, for pacification of the dogmatical word-warriors who, 1. by contending about things unrevealed or not understood, 2. and by taking verbal differences for real,Richard Baxter's Catholick theologie plain, pure, peaceable, for pacification of the dogmatical word-warriours who, 1. by contending about things unrevealed or not understood, 2. and by taking verbal differences for real,
London: printed by Robert White for Nevill Simmons, 1675
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
S. Is not the Church of Ephesus commended, Rev. 2. 3. that could not bear them that were evil, and that tried false Apostles and found them liars; and are they not blamed that did bear with the woman Jezebel and the doctrine of the Nicolaitans? And if God hate such doctrine, so must we.
S. Is not the Church of Ephesus commended, Rev. 2. 3. that could not bear them that were evil, and that tryed false Apostles and found them lyars; and are they not blamed that did bear with the woman Jezabel and the doctrine of the Nicolaitans? And if God hate such doctrine, so must we.
P. All this is true and good; but do not you misapply it to defend your uncharitableness, or error? I am not persuading you to Indifferency as to truth and falsehood, good and evil, nor to abate your hatred of Idolatry or such doctrine of wickedness and uncleanness as the Nicolaitan's was; nor yet to corrupt the Churches by neglecting Discipline. We would have a man that is an Heretic rejected after the first and second admonition: Bear not with any such evil in your Church Communion which should be cast out, and maketh men uncapable of Communion, (so far as it is in your power regularly to cast out such.) But as you must not take such for enemies, but still afford them a common sort of Charity, so you must not on this pretence, in your ignorance and rashness rave against truth or harmless things, or your Brethren that think not in all things as you do; nor call that Popery which sober wiser men than you, (yea, almost all Christs Church on earth) do take to be sound doctrine, or laudable practice. It is the shame of the party among us that most inclineth to separation, when sober understanding men shall hear an ignorant fellow or woman with confident boldness, rail at a controverted Doctrine, or a Form of Prayer, or Ceremony as Popery, and admonish their Teachers not to receive the Mark of the Beast, when they do but show their pride and ignorance, in overvaluing their own conceptions and unfurnished understandings, and vilifying the knowledge of others in their dark presumption. If you would bring such lesser errors under Church Discipline or Separation, on pretence of not bearing with them that are evil, it is you your selves that would soonest be found worthy to be separated from or cast out, who credit Popery by placing it in sound, good, decent or harmless things, and corrupt Doctrine and Worship by your▪ Errors and Superstitions, which you run into on the contrary extreme.
P. All this is true and good; but do not you misapply it to defend your uncharitableness, or error? I am not perswading you to Indifferency as to truth and falshood, good and evil, nor to abate your hatred of Idolatry or such doctrine of wickedness and uncleanness as the Nicolaitan's was; nor yet to corrupt the Churches by neglecting Discipline. We would have a man that is an Heretick rejected after the first and second admonition: Bear not with any such evil in your Church Communion which should be cast out, and maketh men uncapable of Communion, (so far as it is in your power regularly to cast out such.) But as you must not take such for enemies, but still afford them a common sort of Charity, so you must not on this pretence, in your ignorance and rashness rave against truth or harmless things, or your Brethren that think not in all things as you do; nor call that Popery which sober wiser men than you, (yea, almost all Christs Church on earth) do take to be sound doctrine, or laudable practice. It is the shame of the party among us that most inclineth to separation, when sober understanding men shall hear an ignorant fellow or woman with confident boldness, rail at a controverted Doctrine, or a Form of Prayer, or Ceremony as Popery, and admonish their Teachers not to receive the Mark of the Beast, when they do but shew their pride and ignorance, in overvaluing their own conceptions and unfurnished understandings, and vilifying the knowledge of others in their dark presumption. If you would bring such lesser errors under Church Discipline or Separation, on pretence of not bearing with them that are evil, it is you your selves that would soonest be found worthy to be separated from or cast out, who credit Popery by placing it in sound, good, decent or harmless things, and corrupt Doctrine and Worship by your▪ Errors and Superstitions, which you run into on the contrary extream.
S. Your lax and loose principles would cast out all Discipline out of the Church.
S. Your laxe and loose principles would cast out all Discipline out of the Church.
P. You know not how much in your pretences to over-much strictness of Discipline, you agree with those Papists and Prelatists whom you seem to be most averse from. How hath the Pope subdued Emperors and Princes to himself, and captivated the World, but by the pretence of Discipline, by his Excommunications and Absolutions? How else have his Prelates disturbed this Kingdom in former Ages? And I my self had lately to do with one of the greatest Clergy-men that hath had a hand in our ejection, silencing and present Church-state, against whom I am fain to defend, that Kings and Chief Magistrates are not to be excommunicated: And I find the aforesaid English Non-conformist in the said Latin Tract. de Vera & Genuina Relig. pag. 280, 281. put upon the same task, and performing it by the same arguments which I used. I confess, the Papists and Worldly Tyrannical Clergy do corrupt Discipline, and cast out the true cleansing useful exercise of it; but for so much and such use as is conducible to maintain the interest of their Sect and Party and Carnality, no men are more hot: and is it not so with you?
P. You know not how much in your pretences to over-much strictness of Discipline, you agree with those Papists and Prelatists whom you seem to be most averse from. How hath the Pope subdued Emperours and Princes to himself, and captivated the World, but by the pretence of Discipline, by his Excommunications and Absolutions? How else have his Prelates disturbed this Kingdom in former Ages? And I my self had lately to do with one of the greatest Clergie-men that hath had a hand in our ejection, silencing and present Church-state, against whom I am fain to defend, that Kings and Chief Magistrates are not to be excommunicated: And I find the aforesaid English Non-conformist in the said Latin Tract. de Vera & Genuina Relig. pag. 280, 281. put upon the same task, and performing it by the same arguments which I used. I confess, the Papists and Worldly Tyrannical Clergie do corrupt Discipline, and cast out the true cleansing useful exercise of it; but for so much and such use as is conducible to maintain the interest of their Sect and Party and Carnality, no men are more hot: and is it not so with you?
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