It is not every different opinion in politics that proveth men to be against subjection. He that can read such a Book as Bilsons for Christian subjection against Antichristian rebellion, and yet deny him to be a Teacher of Subjection, hath a very hard forehead. For the Controversies I shall say no more of them here, but what I have said before to Mr. Hooker. And as for Calvin and the Disciplinarians or Puritans as they are called, They subscribe all the same confessions for Magistracy, and take the same oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy, as others do: and they plead and write for them: so that for my part I know not of any difference in their Doctrine: Hear what B. Andrews saith (who was no rebel,) in his Tortura Torti, pag. 379, 380. [Calvinus autem ut Papam Regem; ita Regem Papam non probavit: Neque nos quod in Papâ detestamur, in Rege approbamus: At & ille nobiscum, & nos cum illo sentimus, easdem esse in Ecclesia Christiana Regis Jacobi partes, quae Josiae fuerunt in Judaica: nec nos ultra quicquam fieri ambimus—] that is, [But Calvin neither liked a Pope King, nor a King Pope: Nor do we approve of that in the King, which we detest in the Pope. But he with us, and we with him do judge, that King James hath as much to do in a Christian Church, as Josiah had in the Jewish Church: and we go not about to get any more—] And after [Sub Primatus nomine, Papatum novum Rex non invebit in Ecclesiam: sic enim statuit, ut non Aaroni Pontifici, ita nec Jeroboamo Regi, jus ullam esse, conflatum à see vitulum populo proponendi, ut adoret; (idest) non vel fidei novos articulos, vel cultus Divini novas formulas procudendi:] that is, [The King doth not bring into the Church a new Papacy, under the name of Primacy: For thus he judgeth, (or determineth) that neither Aaron the Priest, nor Jeroboam the King, had any Right to propose the Calf which they had made, to the people to be adored; that is, neither to hammer (or make) new articles of faith, or new forms of Divine Worship. And pag. 379, 380. [Quos vero Puritanos appellat, si Regium primatum detestantur, detestandi ipsi. Profitentur enim, subscribunt, jurant indies: sed & illi quod faciunt ingenuè faciunt, & societatem in hoc Torti, ipsumque adeo Tortum, tanquam mendacem hominem, (& alibi de aliis, & hic de se,) ac sycophantem egregium detestantur:]
It is not every different opinion in politicks that proveth men to be against subjection. He that can read such a Book as Bilsons for Christian subjection against Antichristian rebelion, and yet deny him to be a Teacher of Subjection, hath a very hard forhead. For the Controversies I shall say no more of them here, but what I have said before to Mr. Hooker. And as for Calvin and the Disciplinarians or Puritans as they are called, They subscribe all the same confessions for Magistracy, and take the same oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy, as others do: and they plead and write for them: so that for my part I know not of any difference in their Doctrine: Hear what B. Andrews saith (who was no rebel,) in his Tortura Torti, pag. 379, 380. [Calvinus autem ut Papam Regem; ita Regem Papam non probavit: Neque nos quod in Papâ detestamur, in Rege approbamus: At & ille nobiscum, & nos cum illo sentimus, easdem esse in Ecclesia Christiana Regis Iacobi partes, quae Iosiae fuerunt in Iudaica: nec nos ultra quicquam fieri ambimus—] that is, [But Calvin neither liked a Pope King, nor a King Pope: Nor do we approve of that in the King, which we detest in the Pope. But he with us, and we with him do judge, that King James hath as much to do in a Christian Church, as Josias had in the Iewish Church: and we go not about to get any more—] And after [Sub Primatus nomine, Papatum novum Rex non invebit in Ecclesiam: sic enim statuit, ut non Aaroni Pontifici, ita nec Ieroboamo Regi, jus ullam esse, conflatum à se vitulum populo proponendi, ut adoret; (idest) non vel fidei novos articulos, vel cultus Divini novas formulas procudendi:] that is, [The King doth not bring into the Church a new Papacy, under the name of Primacy: For thus he judgeth, (or determineth) that neither Aaron the Priest, nor Jeroboam the King, had any Right to propose the Calf which they had made, to the people to be adored; that is, neither to hammer (or make) new articles of faith, or new forms of Divine Worship. And pag. 379, 380. [Quos vero Puritanos appellat, si Regium primatum detestantur, detestandi ipsi. Profitentur enim, subscribunt, jurant indies: sed & illi quod faciunt ingenuè faciunt, & societatem in hoc Torti, ipsumque adeo Tortum, tanquam mendacem hominem, (& alibi de aliis, & hic de se,) ac sycophantem egregium detestantur:]
