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2. Though we need not fetch our Ordination from Rome, yet, as to them, we may truly say, that if they have any true Ordination and Ministry, then so have we: For our first Reformers were Ordained by their Bishops, which is enough to stop their mouths. If they say that our Schism hath cut off our power of Ordination, I answer ad hominem, that (though it is they that are indeed the Notorious Schismatics, yet) if we were what they falsely say we are, it would not null our Ordination, Confirmation, or such other acts. And this is the Judgement of their own writers. I shall at this time only cite the words of one of them, and of many in that one: and that is Thom. à Jesis de Conversione Gentium, lib. 6. cap. 9. Where he affirms it to be one of the Certainties agreed on [that Schismatics lose not, nor can lose any spiritual power consisting in the spiritual Character of Baptism, or Confirmation of Orders: For this is indelible, as Dr. Thomas teacheth here, Art. 3. and Turrecremata confirmeth, lib. 4. sum. part. 1. c. 7. and Sylvester verb. Schismatici: and it appeareth by Pope Urban's Can. Ordinations, 9. q. 1. Who judgeth those to be truly ordained, that were ordained by Schismatical Bishops: And from Austin lib. 6. de Bapt. Cont. Donatist. cap. 5. where he saith that [A Separatist may deliver the Sacrament as well as have it.] He next addeth that yet such are deprived of the faculty of Lawful using the Power which they have, so that it will be their sin to use it, though it be not a nullity if they do use it: and that thus those are to be understood that speak against the Ordination, Confirmation, &c. of Schismatics; viz. that it is unlawful, because their power is suspended ⟨p. 207⟩by the Church, but not a Nullity, because they have the Power, pag. 316. He puts the Question [Whether Schismatical Presbyters and Bishops do want the Power of Order, or only want Jurisdiction?] And he answereth out of D. Thom. 22. q. 39. art. 3. that [they want Jurisdiction, and cannot Absolve, Excommunicate, or grant indulgences, and so they cannot elect and give Benefices, and make Laws—But yet they have the holy Power of Orders; and therefore a schismatical Bishop doth truly make and consecrate the Eucharist, truly Confirm, truly Ordain;

2. Though we need not fetch our Ordination from Rome, yet, as to them, we may truly say, that if they have any true Ordination and Ministry, then so have we: For our first Reformers were Ordained by their Bishops, which is enough to stop their mouths. If they say that our Schism hath cut off our power of Ordination, I answer ad hominem, that (though it is they that are indeed the Notorious Schismaticks, yet) if we were what they falsly say we are, it would not null our Ordination, Confirmation, or such other acts. And this is the Judgement of their own writers. I shall at this time only cite the words of one of them, and of many in that one: and that is Thom. à Jesis de Conversione Gentium, lib. 6. cap. 9. Where he affirms it to be one of the Certainties agreed on [that Schismaticks lose not, nor can lose any spiritual power consisting in the spiritual Caracter of Baptism, or Confirmation of Orders: For this is indelible, as Dr. Thomas teacheth here, Art. 3. and Turrecremata confirmeth, lib. 4. sum. part. 1. c. 7. and Silvester verb. Schismatici: and it appeareth by Pope Urbans Can. Ordinationes, 9. q. 1. Who judgeth those to be truly ordained, that were ordained by Schismaticall Bishops: And from Austin lib. 6. de Bapt. Cont. Donatist. cap. 5. where he saith that [A Separatist may deliver the Sacrament as well as have it.] He next addeth that yet such are deprived of the faculty of Lawfull using the Power which they have, so that it will be their sin to use it, though it be not a nullity if they do use it: and that thus those are to be understood that speak against the Ordination, Confirmation, &c. of Schismaticks; viz. that it is unlawfull, because their power is suspended