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Naked popery, or, The naked falsehood of a book called The Catholic naked truth,…Naked popery, or, The naked falshood of a book called The Catholick naked truth,…

Naked popery, or, The naked falsehood of a book called The Catholic naked truth, or, The Puritan convert to apostolical Christianity, written by W.H. opening their fundamental error of unwritten tradition, and their unjust description of the Puritans, the prelatical Protestant, and the papist, and their differences, and better acquainting the ignorant of the same difference, especially what a Puritan and what a papist is / by Richard Baxter ...Naked popery, or, The naked falshood of a book called The Catholick naked truth, or, The Puritan convert to apostolical Christianity, written by W.H. opening their fundamental errour of unwritten tradition, and their unjust description of the Puritans, the prelatical Protestant, and the papist, and their differences, and better acquainting the ignorant of the same difference, especially what a Puritan and what a papist is / by Richard Baxter ...

Richard Baxter 1615–1691London: printed for N. Simmons, 1677

196, [8] p. · 61k words · Wing B1315 · ESTC R13884

Title page: Princeton Theological Seminary Library copy, digitized by the Internet Archive (opens the Internet Archive in a new tab)

Chapter 5: The true History of the Papacy, its original and growth.

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:324p. 125¶3

3. Be not General Councils themselves approved or reprobated at the pleasure of the Pope? What a number of reprobated Councils were there? that yet were as numerous as the approved, and as lawfully called and assembled. Bellarmine instanceth in the 2. of Ephesus, Constance, Basil, and many more: Of which more before.

3. Be not General Councils themselves approved or reprobated at the pleasure of the Pope? What a number of reprobated Councils were there? that yet were as numerous as the approved, and as lawfuly called and assembled. Bellarmine instanceth in the 2. of Ephesus, Constance, Basil, and many more: Of which more before.

:325p. 125¶2

II. Another of their deceits is by pretending to Vinc. Lerinensis Rule, quod ab omnibus, ubique, semper, &c. as if Antiquity and Universality were on their side. I must remember that I have long ago confuted these and the rest of their deceits in my Key for Catholics: Yet I will briefly speak here to these two.

II. Another of their deceits is by pretending to Vinc. Lerinensis Rule, quod ab omnibus, ubique, semper, &c. as if Antiquity and Universality were on their side. I must remember that I have long ago confuted these and the rest of their deceits in my Key for Catholicks: Yet I will briefly speak here to these two.

:326p. 125¶1

1. For Antiquity we willingly stand to it, and to the rejecting of all Novelty in Religion: But we must have better proof than the word of our Grand-fathers, or a Priest. 1. Is any of their Books or Traditions elder than the holy Scripture? 2. Either the Greeks, Armenians, Abassines, &c. have been sure Keepers of Antiquity, or not: If yea, then we may take their Testimony as well as the Church of Romes. If not, why may not you prove as ill Keepers of it as they?

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Title as printed: Naked popery, or, The naked falsehood of a book called The Catholic naked truth, or, The Puritan convert to apostolical Christianity, written by W.H. opening their fundamental error of unwritten tradition, and their unjust description of the Puritans, the prelatical Protestant, and the papist, and their differences, and better acquainting the ignorant of the same difference, especially what a Puritan and what a papist is / by Richard Baxter ...Naked popery, or, The naked falshood of a book called The Catholick naked truth, or, The Puritan convert to apostolical Christianity, written by W.H. opening their fundamental errour of unwritten tradition, and their unjust description of the Puritans, the prelatical Protestant, and the papist, and their differences, and better acquainting the ignorant of the same difference, especially what a Puritan and what a papist is / by Richard Baxter ...
Author: Richard Baxter 1615–1691
Place: London
Bookseller: N. Simmons
Year: 1677
Size: 196, [8] p.
Words: 60,859
Catalogue: Wing B1315 · ESTC R13884
Text: EEBO-TCP A26962

Passages: 699
Sections: 22

:332p. 126–127

As for their telling us that all these followed Dioscorus a Heretic, or were Nestorians, and that all the Abassines, Armenians, Georgians, Syrians, Coptics, Greeks, Protestants, &c. are Heretics, or Schismatics, I have answered it so oft at large that I must not repeat what I have said. Only, 1. I say that if the Censures and Revilings of Adversaries can un-christen all others, and appropriate the Church to them that have least Charity, perhaps the Qualiers may shortly have as fair a Title as the Papists. If General Councils be not to be believed when they Hereticate Popes, I will not believe a Railer when he Hereticates most of the Christian World, whom he never saw or spake with▪ Sure that man judgeth persons ⟨p. 127⟩unheard. 2. I repeat the words of Barchardus one of your own, that long lived among them, and spake what he saw, p. 325, 326. [And is for those that we judge to be damned Heretics, as the Nestorians, Jacobites, Maronites, Georgians, and the like, I found them to be for the most part good and simple men, and living sincerely towards God and Men, they are of great abstinence, &c.—And p. 324. he saith, that [the Syrians, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Nestorians, Nubians, Jubeans, Chaldeans, Maronites, Ethiopians, Egyptians, and many other Nations of Christians there inhabit; and that some are Schismatics not subject to the Pope, and others called Heretics, as the Nestorians, Jacobites, &c. but there are many in these Sects that are very simple, knowing nothing of Heresies; devoted to Christ, macerating the Flesh with Fastings, and clothed with the most simple Garments, so that they far excel the very RELIGIOUS of the Church of Rome.] And, p. 323. of the Papists, whom he calleth by the Name of Christians, as if it were proper to them, he saith, [There are in the Land of Promise men of every Nation under Heaven, and every Nation liveth after their own Rites; and to speak the very truth to our own great confusion, there are none found in it that are worse and more corrupt in Manners than Christians;] (that is, Papists.)

As for their telling us that all these followed Dioscorus a Heretick, or were Nestorians, and that all the Abassines, Armenians, Georgians, Syrians, Coptics, Greeks, Protestants, &c. are Hereticks, or Schismaticks, I have answered it so oft at large that I must not repeat what I have said. Only, 1. I say that if the Censures and Revilings of Adversaries can un-christen all others, and appropriate the Church to them that have least Charity, perhaps the Qualiers may shortly have as fair a Title as the Papists. If General Councils be not to be believed when they Hereticate Popes, I will not believe a Railer when he Hereticates most of the Christian World, whom he never saw or spake with▪ Sure that man judgeth persons ⟨p. 127⟩unheard. 2. I repeat the words of Barchardus one of your own, that long lived among them, and spake what he saw, p. 325, 326. [And is for those that we judge to be damned Hereticks, as the Nestorians, Jacobites, Maronites, Georgians, and the like, I found them to be for the most part good and simple men, and living sincerely towards God and Men, they are of great abstinence, &c.—And p. 324. he saith, that [the Syrians, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Nestorians, Nubians, Jubeans, Chaldeans, Maronites, Ethiopians, Egyptians, and many other Nations of Christians there inhabit; and that some are Schismaticks not subject to the Pope, and others called Hereticks, as the Nestorians, Jacobites, &c. but there are many in these Sects that are very simple, knowing nothing of Heresies; devoted to Christ, materating the Flesh with Fastings, and clothed with the most simple Garments, so that they far excel the very RELIGIOUS of the Church of Rome.] And, p. 323. of the Papists, whom he calleth by the Name of Christians, as if it were proper to them, he saith, [There are in the Land of Promise men of every Nation under Heaven, and every Nation liveth after their own Rites; and to speak the very truth to our own great confusion, there are none found in it that are worse and more corrupt in Manners than Christians;] (that is, Papists.)

:339p. 129–130

When I hear religious persons contentiously censuring each other, about some little points of Ceremony, Order, Discipline, or Form, which are but the fimbria, or the Welts and Laces of Religion, I am angry at their weakness and defect of love; but I must needs think that there is very great concord in the Faith and Religion (Objective) of these men, who differ about no greater matters than such as these. If men that were building a Palace would fall together by the Ears, only about the driving of a Pin, I should marvel at their concord that differed in no more; though I could wish them, like wrangling Children, whipped for their folly and frowardness till they were quiet. The great things that Protestants have paltrily wrangled about, are, 1. The Doctrinal Controversies called Arminian: 2. And the matters ⟨p. 130⟩of Discipline. and Ceremonies. The former I have showed lately in a large Volume, hath much more of verbal than of real difference, and is cherished by the ambiguity of words, and the unskilfulness of too many to discuss those ambiguities, and find out exactly the true state of the Controversy: It is oft but Stubble that maketh the greatest blaze.

When I hear religious persons contentiously censuring each other, about some little points of Ceremony, Order, Discipline, or Form, which are but the fimbria, or the Welts and Laces of Religion, I am angry at their weakness and defect of love; but I must needs think that there is very great concord in the Faith and Religion (Objective) of these men, who differ about no greater matters than such as these. If men that were building a Palace would fall together by the Ears, only about the driving of a Pin, I should marvel at their concord that differed in no more; though I could wish them, like wrangling Children, whipt for their folly and frowardness till they were quiet. The great things that Protestants have paltrily wrangled about, are, 1. The Doctrinal Controversies called Arminian: 2. And the matters ⟨p. 130⟩of Discipline. and Ceremonies. The former I have shewed lately in a large Volume, hath much more of verbal than of real difference, and is cherished by the ambiguity of words, and the unskilfulness of too many to discuss those ambiguities, and find out exactly the true state of the Controversie: It is oft but Stubble that maketh the greatest blaze.