Thus far the most of them seem to be agreed. But when these mysteries of iniquity come to be opened, they fall all to pieces. For 1. Sometimes they say that the judgement of the Church is Gods word after a sort: sometime that it is some middle thing between a Testimony Divine and Humane. e2. And what the formal object of faith is, they are not all of a mind: whether it be only the Prime Truth, or whether the Revelation of the Material object be any part of the formal: (But I confess this controversy is more verbal then real.) 3. fAnd what place here to assign to the Testimony of the Church, they are not agreed neither. g4. Especially ⟨p. 191⟩they are divided in the main, viz. what this Church is which is the infallible Judge, and into whose judgement their faith is resolved, whether it be the present Church or the former Church? Whether it be the Pope only (at least in case of difference between him and his Council) or whether it be a General Council though the Pope agree not (as the French and Venetians say?) hYea whether it be the Clergy only, or the Laity also that are this Church? Nay some of them plead Universal Tradition (as Holden, White, Vane, and divers other Englishmen of late) as if that were the same with the Roman Tradition, or as if it were the point in controversy between us and them. And ordinarily they use to tell us of [All the Church] and [All the Christian world] and to mouth it in such swelling words, that the simple hearer would little think that by [All the Church] they meant but one man, or at the utmost, him and his factious Clergy? So also they are disagreed among themselves whether ithe Bishops in a General Council are Judges with the Pope or only the Popes Counsellors? Yea or what a General Council is? Though they all agree that it is not necessary that it be out of all the Christian world, much less the Bishops of all Churches, but only some of those that adhere to the Pope of Rome, yet they agree not whether it must be freely elected by all the Bishops of the Romish faction, or only so many and of such Countries as the Pope shall choose? and whether the major part of the Council must concur with the Pope, or the Pope and the Minor part may not ⟨p. 192⟩serve turn k5. So also they are exceedingly disagreed about the nature and extent or pretended infallibility of the Church of the Pope in judging.
Thus far the most of them seem to be agreed. But when these mysteries of iniquity come to be opened, they fall all to pieces. For 1. Sometimes they say that the judgement of the Church is Gods word after a sort: sometime that it is some middle thing between a Testimony Divine and Humane. e2. And what the formal object of faith is, they are not all of a mind: whether it be only the Prime Truth, or whether the Revelation of the Material object be any part of the formal: (But I confess this controversie is more verbal then real.) 3. fAnd what place here to assign to the Testimony of the Church, they are not agreed neither. g4. Especially ⟨p. 191⟩they are divided in the main, viz. what this Church is which is the infallible Judge, and into whose judgement their faith is resolved, whether it be the present Church or the former Church? Whether it be the Pope only (at least in case of difference between him and his Council) or whether it be a General Council though the Pope agree not (as the French and Venetians say?) hYea whether it be the Clergy only, or the Laity also that are this Church? Nay some of them plead Universal Tradition (as Holden, White, Vane, and divers other Englishmen of late) as if that were the same with the Romane Tradition, or as if it were the point in controversie between us and them. And ordinarily they use to tell us of [All the Church] and [All the Christian world] and to mouth it in such swelling words, that the simple hearer would little think that by [All the Church] they meant but one man, or at the utmost, him and his factious Clergy? So also they are disagreed among themselves whether ithe Bishops in a General Council are Judges with the Pope or onely the Popes Counsellors? Yea or what a General Council is? Though they all agree that it is not necessary that it be out of all the Christian world, much less the Bishops of all Churches, but onely some of those that adhere to the Pope of Rome, yet they agree not whether it must be freely elected by all the Bishops of the Romish faction, or onely so many and of such Countries as the Pope shall choose? and whether the major part of the Council must concur with the Pope, or the Pope and the Minor part may not ⟨p. 192⟩
- eVid Turnebull. Totragen. c. 2. a § 5. ad sinem. suarez. Disput. 3. de fide sect. 2. §▪ 5 & Disput. 2 sect. 4 § 5. & Disput. 3. sect. 12. § 4. Bellarm. li 3. de Verbo Dei c. 10. ad arg •3. & 15. Et Lib. de libero Arbitr. c. 3. § At Catholici. Gretser• in Defens. c. 10. li. 3. de Verbo col. 1437. estius in sent. 3. dist. 23. § 4. Malde•. in 22 ae Thom. q. 1. a 1. sec. 3.
- fLege Riveti nostri Isagog. sac. script. cap. 20. suarez Disp. de fide 5. sect. 7. § •1.
- gVid. valent. Tom. 3. Disp. 1. qu. 1. punct. 7. § 12. Bellarm. l. 2. de Sacram. in Genere cap. 25. suarez Disput. 5. de fide sect. 5. §. 5. sed contra Melius Waldenfis li. 2. Doctrine. fid. ant. c. 19. operum. Tom. 1. &c. 27. sic Alphons. a Cast. adu. haeres. li. 1. c. 2. Melch. Can lib. c. 3. & li. 2. c. 1. •etr. Trigos. in summam Bonaven. qu. 1. ar. 3. suarez (contra scipsum) de fide. Disp. 5. §. 3. Bellarm. (contra scipsum) generalia controv. fine. vid. & Durand. in 3. sent. dist. 24. qu. 1. & •erson. de vita spirit. an. lect. 2. Coroll. 7. & è contr F•ann. Driedon. li. 1. de Eccl. Script. & dogmat. cap. 1. & Waldens. li. 2. doctr. fid. antiq. cap. 19. & 20. Melch. Canum Loc. Theol. l. 2. c. 8. p. 26, 27. &c.Vid. valent. Tom. 3. Disp. 1. qu. 1. punct. 7. § 12. Bellarm. l. 2. de Sacram. in Genere cap. 25. suarez Disput. 5. de fide sect. 5. §. 5. sed contra Melius Waldenfis li. 2. Doctrin. fid. ant. c. 19. operum. Tom. 1. &c. 27. sic Alphons. a Cast. adu. haeres. li. 1. c. 2. Melch. Can lib. c. 3. & li. 2. c. 1. •etr. Trigos. in summam Bonaven. qu. 1. ar. 3. suarez (contra scipsum) de fide. Disp. 5. §. 3. Bellarm. (contra scipsum) generalia controv. fine. vid. & Durand. in 3. sent. dist. 24. qu. 1. & •erson. de vita spirit. an. lect. 2. Coroll. 7. & è contr F•ann. Driedon. li. 1. de Eccl. Script. & dogmat. cap. 1. & Waldens. li. 2. doctr. fid. antiq. cap. 19. & 20. Melch. Canum Loc. Theol. l. 2. c. 8. p. 26, 27. &c.
- hVid. Mel. Canum. ib. pag. 27. 28, &c. contra. Th. Waldensem.
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