A27045:323
The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members…
The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members I. defended against the opposition of Mr. William Johnson, II. proved by many arguments / by Richard Baxter ; whereunto is added 1. an account of my judgement to Mr. J. how far heretics are or are not in the church, 2. Mr. Js. explication of the most used terms, with my queries thereupon, and his answer and my reply, 3. an appendix about successive ordination, 4. letters between me and T.S., a papist, with a narrative of the success.The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members I. defended against the opposition of Mr. William Johnson, II. proved by many arguments / by Richard Baxter ; whereunto is added 1. an account of my judgement to Mr. J. how far hereticks are or are not in the church, 2. Mr. Js. explication of the most used terms, with my queries thereupon, and his answer and my reply, 3. an appendix about successive ordination, 4. letters between me and T.S., a papist, with a narrative of the success.
London: printed by R.W. for Nevil Simmons, 1660
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
About the word [Monarch] in good sadness, do you deny the Pope to be [an imperious sole Commander.] Which of these is it that you deny? not that he is [a Commander] not that he is [imperious] not that he is [sole] in his Sovereignty! I would either you or we knew what you hold or deny. But perhaps the next words show the difference [as Temporal Kings.] But this saith not a word wherein they differ from [Temporal Kings]: sure your following words show not the difference. 1. Kings may [receive power from Christ.] 2. Kings must rule [in meekness, charity and humility.] But I think the meekness, charity and humility of Popes, hath been far below even wicked Kings (if cruel murdering Christians for Religion, and setting the world ⟨p. 176⟩on fire may be witness) as your own Histories assure us. 3. The Government of Kings also is for [mens eternal good] however Papists would make them but their executioners in such things. 4. Brethren, as such, are no subjects: and therefore if the Pope Rule men but as Brethren, he rules them not by Governing authority at all. 5. Children to him we are not: You must mean it but Metaphorically! And what mean you then? Is it that he must do it in Love for their good? So also must Kings: So that you have yet expressed no difference at all.
About the word [Monarch] in good sadness, do you deny the Pope to be [an imperious sole Commander.] Which of these is it that you deny? not that he is [a Commander] not that he is [imperious] not that he is [sole] in his Soveraignty! I would either you or we knew what you hold or deny. But perhaps the next words shew the difference [as Temporal Kings.] But this saith not a word wherein they differ from [Temporal Kings]: sure your following words shew not the difference. 1. Kings may [receive power from Christ.] 2. Kings must rule [in meekness, charity and humility.] But I think the meekness, charity and humility of Popes, hath been far below even wicked Kings (if cruel murdering Christians for Religion, and setting the world ⟨p. 176⟩on fire may be witness) as your own Histories assure us. 3. The Government of Kings also is for [mens eternal good] however Papists would make them but their executioners in such things. 4. Brethren, as such, are no subjects: and therefore if the Pope Rule men but as Brethren, he rules them not by Governing authority at all. 5. Children to him we are not: You must mean it but Metaphorically! And what mean you then? Is it that he must do it in Love for their good? So also must Kings: So that you have yet exprest no difference at all.