A27045:352
The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members…
The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members I. defended against the opposition of Mr. William Johnson, II. proved by many arguments / by Richard Baxter ; whereunto is added 1. an account of my judgement to Mr. J. how far heretics are or are not in the church, 2. Mr. Js. explication of the most used terms, with my queries thereupon, and his answer and my reply, 3. an appendix about successive ordination, 4. letters between me and T.S., a papist, with a narrative of the success.The successive visibility of the church of which the Protestants are the soundest members I. defended against the opposition of Mr. William Johnson, II. proved by many arguments / by Richard Baxter ; whereunto is added 1. an account of my judgement to Mr. J. how far hereticks are or are not in the church, 2. Mr. Js. explication of the most used terms, with my queries thereupon, and his answer and my reply, 3. an appendix about successive ordination, 4. letters between me and T.S., a papist, with a narrative of the success.
London: printed by R.W. for Nevil Simmons, 1660
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But what name else is it that you agree on as proper to express the power which is controverted? I know no name so fitted to the real controversy? And therefore in disclaiming the Name, for ought I know, you disclaim your Cause, and confess the shame of Popery. If he that seeks to be King of England, should say he disclaimeth the Title of King as insolent and proud, doth he not allow me to conclude the like of the thing, which he concludeth of the proper name? The name [Papa] [Pope] you know (its like) was usually by the ancients given to other Bishops as well as to him of Rome; and therefore that cannot distinguish him from other men: The same I may say of the Titles [Dominus, Pater sanctissimus, beatissimus, Dei amantissimus, and many such like] — And for [summus Pontifex] Baronius tells you (Martyrol. Rom. April. 9.) that [it was the ancient custom of the Church to call all Bishops, not only Pontifices, Popes, but the Highest or Chief Popes] citing Hierom. Ep. 99. And for the word Head of the Church, or of all Bishops, it hath been given to Constantinople, that yet claimeth ⟨p. 187⟩not (as Nilus tells you) neither a precedency to Rome, nor an Universal Government, much less as the Vice-Christ. And that the Bishop of Constantinople was called [the Apostolic Universal Bishop] Baronius testifieth from an old Vatican monument, which on the other side calls Agapetus [Episcoporum Princeps.] The Title [Apostolic] was usually given to others. Jerusalem was called [the mother of the Churches.] A Council gave Constantinople the Title of [Universal Patriarch] which though Gregory pronounced so in pious and intolerable for any to use, yet the following Pop•s made an agreement with Constantinople, that their Patriarch should keep his Title of Universal Patriarch] and the Bishop of Rome be called [the Universal Pope;] which can signify nothing proper to him (the name Pope being common) more then [Universal Patriarch] doth. The Foundations, and Pillars of the Church, and the Apostles successors, yea Peters successors, were Titles given to others as well as him: and more then these. It being therefore the point in controversy between us, whether the Bishop of Rome, be in the place of Christ or as his Vicar, the Head, Monarch, or Governor of the Church universal;
But what name else is it that you agree on as proper to express the power which is controverted? I know no name so fitted to the reall controversie? And therefore in disclaiming the Name, for ought I know, you disclaim your Cause, and confess the shame of Popery. If he that seeks to be King of England, should say he disclaimeth the Title of King as insolent and proud, doth he not allow me to conclude the like of the thing, which he concludeth of the proper name? The name [Papa] [Pope] you know (its like) was usually by the ancients given to other Bishops as well as to him of Rome; and therefore that cannot distinguish him from other men: The same I may say of the Titles [Dominus, Pater sanctissimus, beatissimus, Dei amantissimus, and many such like] — And for [summus Pontifex] Baronius tells you (Martyrol. Rom. April. 9.) that [it was the ancient custome of the Church to call all Bishops, not only Pontifices, Popes, but the Highest or Chief Popes] citing Hierom. Ep. 99. And for the word Head of the Church, or of all Bishops, it hath been given to Constantinople, that yet claimeth