A30189:122
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Pareus is praised by your self, as an interpreter one of a thousand, and oft cited by you in this matter, as one that condemneth the hearing of them that are unlawfully sent. But according to Pareus. He is lawfully sent, who is called, according to the order which is instituted by public authority in every Church, for order sake, and to edification. Danaeus sharply taxeth the manner of calling Ministers, which be conceived to be in use in England, and is again and again alleged by you in this question: but he doth admonish withal, that we must distinguish between a calling maimed, and none at all, Ex his autem omnibus (saith hee) apparet quam nulla sit, vel non legitima eorum verbi Dei Ministrorum, vel ecclesiae Pastorum vocatio, qui solius regis, vel reginae, vel patroni, vel episcopi, vel Archiepiscopi authoritate, diplomat, bullis, jussu & judicio fit vel eligitur. Id quod dolendum est, adhuc fieri in iis ecclesiis, quae tamen purum Dei verbum habent & sequuntur, veluti in media Anglia. Nam Anglos homines alio qui sapientissimos, acutissimos, & pientissimos, in istis tamen papisticae idololatriae, & tyrannidis reliquiis agnoscendis & tollendis, scientes prudentesque caecutire mirum est. Itaque praeclare sentiunt, qui omnem illam chartulariam & episcopaticam curionum & pastorum Ecclesiae creandorum rationem, item ex solo episcopi consensu, & diplomate ministrorum verbi caelestis vocationem, approbationem & inaugurationem damnant, tollendamque ex reformata ad Dei verbum Ecclesiâ censent: quòd ordo Dei verbo praescriptus in ordination hujusmodi personarum sit praetermissus, ac violatus, sicut perspicue apparet. Denique & Senatui Ecclesiastico & populo Christiano jus omne suum atque suffragium misere sit hac ratione & in hoc genere vocationum ecclesiasticarum ademptum, & in unum quendam Episcopum magnâ tyrannide atque abusu translatum. Dominus Deus talibus corruptionibus, quae adhuc in Ecclesiis ipsius supersunt, & defenduntur, mederi magna sua misericordia dignetur & velit, quae tandem certè magnam ecclesiae Dei ruinam secum trahent & ipsum sacrosanctum verbi ministerium reddent efficientque vel mercenarium, vel omnino contemptibile & abjectum. Quod Dominus avertat.
Pareus is praysed by your self, as an interpreter one of a thousand, and oft cited by you in this matter, as one that condemneth the hearing of them that are unlawfully sent. But according to Pareus. He is lawfully sent, who is called, according to the order which is instituted by publique authoritie in every Church, for order sake, and to edification. Danaeus sharply taxeth the manner of calling Ministers, which be conceived to be in use in England, and is againe and againe alledged by you in this question: but he doth admonish withall, that we must distinguish betweene a calling maimed, and none at all, Ex his autem omnibus (saith hee) apparet quam nulla sit, vel non legitima eorum verbi Dei Ministrorum, vel ecclesiae Pastorum vocatio, qui solius regis, vel reginae, vel patroni, vel episcopi, vel Archiepiscopi authoritate, diplomate, bullis, jussu & judicio fit vel eligitur. Id quod dolendum est, adhuc fieri in iis ecclesiis, quae tamen purum Dei verbum habent & sequuntur, veluti in media Anglia. Nam Anglos homines alio qui sapientissimos, acutissimos, & pientissimos, in istis tamen papisticae idololatriae, & tyrannidis reliquiis agnoscendis & tollendis, scientes prudentesque caecutire mirum est. Itaque praeclare sentiunt, qui omnem illam chartulariam & episcopaticam curionum & pastorum Ecclesiae creandorum rationem, item ex solo episcopi consensu, & diplomate ministrorum verbi caelestis vocationem, approbationem & inaugurationem damnant, tollendamque ex reformata ad Dei verbum Ecclesiâ censent: quòd ordo Dei verbo praescriptus in ordinatione hujusmodi personarum sit praetermissus, ac violatus, sicut perspicue apparet. Denique & Senatui Ecclesiastico & populo Christiano jus omne suum atque suffragium misere sit hac ratione & in hoc genere vocationum ecclesiasticarum ademptum, & in unum quendam Episcopum magnâ tyrannide atque abusu translatum. Dominus Deus talibus corruptionibus, quae adhuc in Ecclesiis ipsius supersunt, & defenduntur, mederi magna sua misericordia dignetur & velit, quae tandem certè magnam ecclesiae Dei ruinam secum trahent & ipsum sacrosanctum verbi ministerium reddent efficientque vel mercenarium, vel omnino contemptibile & abjectum. Quod Dominus avertat.