A30189:124
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
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Hac ratione fit, ut etiam a sacrificulis Papisticis collatus Baptismus non sit in Ecclesia Dei repetendus, & pro nullo habendus. ⟨p. 32⟩Etsi enim in Ecclesiae Dei illegitimam vocationem Papistici Sacrificuli habent, tamen ex consensu populi habent aliquam. Est autem aliud (ut ait August.) 1aliquid prorsus non habere, aliud autē aliquid perniciosè habere; aliud autē aliquid salubriter habere. Quod tertium solum nobis eligendum est. Sed tamen, uti Magistratus vitio creatus, Magistratus tamen est propter populi consensum, 2quemadmodum docet Varro: ita isti Sacrifici, etsi vitio creati sunt Episcopi & Presbyteri, ut [Greek or Hebrew], potius quam [Greek or Hebrew], sint meritò appellandi, tamen quadantenus Presbyteri sunt & Episcopi, praesertim apud eum populum qui in eo consensit. Thus far Danaeus, whose testimony I have rehearsed at large, that every man may see with what fidelity you quote Authors, 3as making for you. You cite out of the admonition, that the Non-conformists complain, That they have not scarce the face of a Church. But this accusation, long since hath been answered, that in saying the face of the Church doth not so much appear (for so the whole process of their book doth declare, that they mean when they say, That we are scarce come to the outward face of the same:) 4they grant that we have the true Church of God: but that for want of those ordinances which it should have, and through certain the deformed rags of Popery, which it should not have, the Church doth not appear in her native colours, and so beautiful, as it is meet she should be prepared to so glorious an Husband, as the Son of God.
Hac ratione fit, ut etiam a sacrificulis Papisticis collatus Baptismus non sit in Ecclesia Dei repetendus, & pro nullo habendus. ⟨p. 32⟩Etsi enim in Ecclesiae Dei illegitimam vocationem Papistici Sacrificuli habent, tamen ex consensu populi habent aliquam. Est autem aliud (ut ait August.)