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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
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Master Cartwright severely reprehendeth the abuses of the Ignorant Ministers, which in respect of the place which they occupy, are Idols: because they stand for that, and make show of that, which they are not: and thereupon he addeth, admit you them as often as you will, the Lord pronounceth, that they shall be no Ministers to him, which have no knowledge. This you cite many times. But in two things, Master Cartwright explaineth himself: first, That through ignorance of that which they do, some of them may be good men, and secondly, that his meaning was to note, how unworthy they are, as of the office, so of the name of a Minister of the Gospel; not to make void their Ministry? such as it is, in the administration of the Sacraments, which faith he, I confess, as in the Popish Priests Baptism, for that they be the public officers appointed thereto, although unduly administered, to be the holy Sacraments of God.
Master Cartwright severely reprehendeth the abuses of the Ignorant Ministers, which in respect of the place which they occupie, are Idols: because they stand for that, and make shew of that, which they are not: and therupon he addeth, admit you them as often as you will, the Lord pronounceth, that they shall be no Ministers to him, which have no knowledge. This you cite many times. But in two things, Master Cartwright explaineth himselfe: first, That through ignorance of that which they doe, some of them may be good men, and secondly, that his meaning was to note, how unworthy they are, as of the office, so of the name of a Minister of the Gospel; not to make void their Ministerie? such as it is, in the administration of the Sacraments, which faith hee, I confesse, as in the Popish Priests Baptisme, for that they be the publike officers appointed thereto, although unduely administred, to be the holy Sacraments of God.
Out of Master Brightman, 1you make a large discourse of the base and shameful beggarliness of the Clergy; as that the ⟨p. 33⟩Curates are both in very deed, and in all mens account, a company of beggarly fellows, and those that by means of their more full purses, walk more lustily, they run up and down, bribe, impudently, importunately beg, and flatter,