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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 1 › Section 5 › Can. Stay. Sect. 5. Pag 37.38. › ANSWER.
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In the whole Catalogue of Martyrs, try if you can bring forth one, who in these things was of your mind. And what a vain thing is it to pretend the example of all the Martyrs, when there is not one among them that doth approve your cause. If the example of the Martyrs be of any weight with you, as here you bear the Reader in hand: 1of necessity you must condemn your rash and presumptuous censuring, your unadvised sinful separation, from the worship and ministry in our Church, as Antichristian and Idolatrous. For certain it is, the Martyrs stood members of our Societies, and dyed in the defence of that doctrine and worship, which we profess and practise. Many words you spend in answer to this reason, and reproaches you cast upon your adversary, but one word is not to be found that makes directly to take away the force of the Argument.
In the whole Catalogue of Martyrs, try if you can bring forth one, who in these things was of your minde. And what a vaine thing is it to pretend the example of all the Martyrs, when there is not one among them that doth approve your cause. If the example of the Martyrs be of any weight with you, as here you beare the Reader in hand: 1of necessitie you must condemne your rash and presumptuous censuring, your unadvised sinfull separation, from the worship and ministerie in our Church, as Antichristian and Idolatrous. For certaine it is, the Martyrs stood members of our Societies, and dyed in the defence of that doctrine and worship, which we professe and practise. Many words you spend in answer to this reason, and reproaches you cast upon your adversarie, but one word is not to be found that makes directly to take away the force of the Argument.
- 1CAN Nieces. of separation, p. 190, 191, 192.CAN Neces. of separation, p. 190, 191, 192.
It was the answer of Frederick Duke of Saxony, who being prisoner to Charles the fifth, and promised releasement, if he would go to the Mass, Summum in terris Dominum agnosco Caesarem, in coclis Christum. The like did the Prince of Condee: but neither of them did refuse to join with the reformed Churches, because they deemed their Church constitution defective or erroneous, in this or that particular. To pretend the consent of popish and protestant