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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 1 › Section 5 › CAN Stay. Sect. 15. pag 133. › ANSWER.
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But after this separation made by them, 1divers other godly men did patiently endure the tyranny of Antichrist and groaned under that heavy yoke, bewailing the misery, and reproving the sins of the time, sought to reclaim others, and labour to keep their own selves free, but did not actually separate from the society. And this (as the learned judge) was done, if not by Gods commandment, at least by gracious indulgence. Until the time of the Trent Council (saith one) the Church although oppugned with errors and deceits of divers kinds, oppressed with tyranny, did not patiently endure the tyranny of the Pope, and the impudency of the Fraterculi. And though oftentimes before they had thought of separation, yet they could never effect it, until that was fulfilled which the Scripture had foretold.
But after this separation made by them, 1divers other godly men did patiently endure the tyranny of Antichrist and groaned under that heavie yoake, bewailing the misery, and reproving the sinnes of the time, sought to reclaime others, and labour to keepe their owne selves free, but did not actually separate from the societie. And this (as the learned judge) was done, if not by Gods commandement, at least by gracious indulgence. Vntill the time of the Trent Councell (saith one) the Church although oppugned with errours and deceits of divers kinds, oppressed with tyranny, did not patiently endure the tyranny of the Pope, and the impudency of the Fraterculi. And though oftentimes before they had thought of separation, yet they could never effect it, untill that was fulfilled which the Scripture had foretold.
- 1If sheep in a pasture, where venomous herbs are mixed with wholesome, can by the instinct of nature make choice of that which is proper for them, and abstain from the contrary; what marvel is it if the flock of Christ, who know the voice of the true Shepherd from the voice of strangers, should by the guidance of Gods assisting spirit do the same, Chaloncredo, Cameron, dc Eccles. ca. de schism, See Field of the church. l. 3 […] 6, 8. Carleton descript. ca. 1, p. 8.If sheepe in a pasture, vvhere venemous hearbs are mixed with vvholsome, can by the instinct of nature make choise of that vvhich is proper for them, and abstaine from the contrary; vvhat marvaile is it if the flocke of Christ, vvho know the voice of the true Shepheard from the voice of strangers, should by the guidance of Gods assisting spirit doe the same, Chaloncredo, Cameron, dc Eccles. ca. de schism, See Field of the church. l. 3 6, 8. Carleton descript. ca. 1, p. 8.