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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 1 › Section 7 › Can. Stay. Sect. 5. Pag. 73. › ANSWER.
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You say it is an easy thing to Conquer, 1if begging might procure it, and if confident assertions will carry a matter, you will not go without it. But we must not be driven from the Church, the Ordinances and worship of God, communion with Christ and society of Saints, by an empty blast of words: No, though you shamefully boast you have proved it by our own writings. Do you think your bold impudent asseveration, that any mans saying to the contrary is sine capite fabula, a vision of his own head, will make us by and by yield to your definitive sentence, for which you can produce neither Scripture, nor reason, nor authority but your own, as if your ipse dixit. Pope-like were to be rested in? We are no such Children, We are not to be feared with rattles. You must bring better matter than your vain fictions, and sounder proof than vain repetitions of the same things over and over, ⟨p. 113⟩or else you must expect small credit to be given unto your words.
You say it is an easie thing to Conquer, 1if begging might procure it, and if confident assertions will carrie a matter, you will not goe without it. But we must not be driven from the Church, the Ordinances and worship of God, communion with Christ and societie of Saints, by an emptie blast of words: No, though you shamefully boast you have proved it by our owne writings. Doe you thinke your bold impudent asseveration, that any mans saying to the contrarie is sine capite fabula, a vision of his owne head, will make us by and by yeeld to your definitive sentence, for which you can produce neither Scripture, nor reason, nor authoritie but your owne, as if your ipse dixit. Pope-like were to be rested in? Wee are no such Children, We are not to be feared with rattles. You must bring better matter than your vaine fictions, and sounder proofe than vaine repetitions of the same things over and over, ⟨p. 113⟩or else you must expect small credit to bee given unto your words.
- 1CAN. Stay. Sect. 5. page 66. We are no such Children as to give the cause so away. CAN. Necess. of sep. p. 226. But this we cannot give him, though he beg it shamefully, because the thing is otherwise, as their own writings manifest. CAN. Stay. Sect. 5. page 74. Calfeh. against Mart art. 3. page 86.