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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 1 › Section 8 › CAN. Necess. of Separ. pag. 55. › ANSWER.
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Upon this one prop lieth all the weight of your building, whe•em you strangely triumph, as if you had stopped the mouth of the Non-conformists for ever, that either they must go back from what they have written against the abuses of the ministry, or confess they have said and unsaid as occasions have changed, now maintaining that as right, which even now they condemned as false and Antichristian. And this you press over and over with great confidence and insolencie. But this stay I have plucked out of your hands already, and showed that this exception hath no weight or soundness, either from truth or Non-conformists principles.
Vpon this one prop lyeth all the weight of your building, whe•em you strangely triumph, as if you had stopped the mouth of the Non-conformists for ever, that either they must goe backe from what they have writen against the abuses of the ministery, or confesse they have said and unsaid as occasions have changed, now maintaining that as right, which even now they condemned as false and Antichristian. And this you presse over and over with great confidence and insolencie. But this stay I have plucked out of your hands already, and shewed that this exception hath no weight or soundnesse, either from truth or Non-conformists principles.
In answer to this renewed blast of words, I will briefly repeat what hath been proved more at large.1
In answer to this renewed blast of words, I will briefly repeate what hath been proved more at large.1
- 1Bilson Christian subject part 2. page 296. Bishops have their Authority to preach and administer the Sacraments, not from the Prince, but from Christ Himself, Go teach all Nations, &c. only the Prince giveth him publiked liberty, without let o disturbance to do that which Christ commandeth. Id. p. 309. The charge which the Preachers and Bishops of England have over their flocks proceedeth neither from Prince nor Pope, ner dependeth on the will or word of any earthly creature. Chaloner Credo, second par §. 2. He which confers Baptism and Orders as the principal Donor is Christ: the Bishop or Pastor confers them only as his instrument. August. contr. Crescon. l. 4. c 6. per ministros dspares Dei mius aequ est, quitn illorum sed ejus est. CAN. Stay. §. 3. p. 60. August. in