A30189:430
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Master Br. saith, It is lawful to communicate in that worship where the ceremonies are used: but we cannot believe him, (say you) for his brethren both affirm and prove the contrary. And here now is a fit place, to write down the words, whereof mention was made in p. 99. partly because the author is a principle Nonconformist, and partly to discover the rashness and folly of this inconsiderate man, wch durst without any reason (more than boldness) still justify the very thing, wch his brethren by many sound arguments, have manifested to be evil and unlawful: and then you go on to rehearse the words of the author, of a dispute upon communicating at confused communions, pag. 68.69.
Master Br. saith, It is lawfull to communicate in that worship where the ceremonies are used: but wee cannot believe him, (say you) for his brethren both affirme and prove the contrary. And here now is a fit place, to write down the words, wherof mention was made in p. 99. partly because the author is a principle Nonconformist, and partly to discover the rashnesse and folly of this inconsiderate man, wch durst without any reason (more than boldnesse) still justifie the very thing, wch his brethren by many sound arguments, have manifested to be evill and unlawfull: and then you goe on to rehearse the words of the author, of a dispute upon communicating at confused communions, pag. 68.69.
Who that Author is I know not, the book I have not seen, but by the words which you relate, it appears he was no English Nonconformist, neither doth he speak of communicating in our English societies. And if he did, he speaks but his private opinion, and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists. It may be questioned, whether Master Br. book was not penned and published, before he could either see or think of the other. But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular, M. Br. knew it to be the common practice ⟨p. 137⟩and uniform judgment of all Nonconformists in England, both heretofore, and at that present when he wrote, that it is lawful, 1