A30189:431
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Who that Author is I know not, the book I have not seen, but by the words which you relate, it appears he was no English Nonconformist, neither doth he speak of communicating in our English societies. And if he did, he speaks but his private opinion, and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists. It may be questioned, whether Master Br. book was not penned and published, before he could either see or think of the other. But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular, M. Br. knew it to be the common practice ⟨p. 137⟩and uniform judgment of all Nonconformists in England, both heretofore, and at that present when he wrote, that it is lawful, 1and in some cases necessary, to receive the Sacrament with them that kneel in our assemblies. And now consider to whom the imputation of folly, boldness, inconsiderateness, and (if you will) falsehood, is justly to be attributed.
Who that Author is I know not, the booke I have not seen, but by the words which you relate, it appeares hee was no English Nonconformist, neither doth he speake of communicating in our English societies. And if he did, he speakes but his private opinion, and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists. It may be questioned, whether Master Br. booke was not penned and published, before hee could either see or thinke of the other. But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular, M. Br. knew it to bee the common practice ⟨p. 137⟩and uniforme judgment of all Nonconformists in England, both heretofore, and at that present when he wrote, that it is lawfull, 1and in some cases necessarie, to receive the Sacrament with them that kneel in our assemblies. And now consider to whom the imputation of folly, boldnesse, inconsideratenesse, and (if you will) falshood, is justly to be attributed.
- 1A dispute against Engl. part 1. ca. 9. sect. 3. p, 32. The practice of the greatest part of the reformed Churches in observing holy days, cannot commend them in the Church of Scotland. 1 Because she did spue them out wih so great detestation, that she is more bound to abhor them, than other Churches, which did not the like: & I may well apply that to them which Caivin saith of the ceremonies of some to Valentinus Pacaeus. Ut concedam faetidas illas sordes quibus purgatae fuerunt Ecclesiae vestrae, in rebus med is posse censeri, carum tamen restitutio erit res media. CAN Stay sect. 5. p 75.76.