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An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English…An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English…
An answer to two treatises of Mr. John Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessity of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. John Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulness of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithful servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball.
London: printed by R.B., 1642
Chapter 3 › Section 2 › ANSWER.Chapter 3 › Section 2 › ANSVVER.
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Another stratagem byou put in practice in the same place, not very commendable. You would seem to confute the D. out of himself. What say you, if it appear that Mr D. arguments, do lead rather to separation, and that he speaketh one thing, and practiseth another; would not this be a strange sight, especially, to himself? Now whether this be so, we will here try by some reasons in his own mood and figure. But though the mood and figure be his, the reasons be your own, and not his, and the conclusions unjustly drawn from the Premises, as the D. answered, and we have showed before. Perhaps in war stratagems may be of use, but in the cause of God such cunning devices are dangerous symptoms. This I note, to entreat your serious reexamination of what you have done: and now I come to the argument here propounded, whereunto I make answer as you relate it, for I have not the D. Book to search out what he hath written.
Another stratageme byou put in practice in the same place, not very commendable. You would seeme to confute the D. out of himselfe. What say you, if it appeare that Mr D. arguments, doe lead rather to separation, and that he speaketh one thing, and practiseth another; would not this be a strange sight, especially, to himselfe? Now whether this be so, we will here try by some reasons in his owne moode and figure. But though the moode and figure be his, the reasons be your owne, and not his, and the conclusions unjustly drawne from the Premises, as the D. answered, and we have shewed before. Perhaps in warre stratagems may be of use, but in the cause of God such cunning devices are dangerous symptoms. This I note, to entreat your serious reexamination of what you have done: and now I come to the argument here propounded, whereunto I make answer as you relate it, for I have not the D. Booke to search out what he hath written.
- bCan. Nieces. of Separate. pag. 153.Can. Neces. of Separat. pag. 153.