A34675:256
A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of self contradiction, charged on…A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on…
A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of self contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cawdrey written by himself not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cawdrey about the nature of schism, by John Owen ...A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ...
Oxford: printed by H. Hall for T. Robinson, 1658
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
The 17th Contradiction is thus set forth.
17. Visible Saints though they be Hypocrites inwardly, are the matter of a visible church. Mr. Hook. part. 1. p. 14. 15. | 17. You say Saints in outward Profession are the matter of a Congregational Church: we judge that real Saints uttering in Discourse the Breathings of the Holy Spirit, and experiences of conversion, interested in a stricter conversation to be the matter. Dr. Holmes Epistle to Way cleared. pag. 4. | Mr. Bartlet speaketh something (this language) Can there be Ability for spiritual & holy services, where the spirit is not yet given? Can there be communion between light and Darkness? Can they edify one another in the Faith, that have not the work of Faith wrought in them? Model. p. 57. See more pag. 103.
17. Visible Saints though they be Hypocrites inwardly, are the matter of a visible church. Mr. Hook. part. 1. p. 14. 15. | 17. You say Saints in outward Profession are the matter of a Congregationall Church: we judge that reall Saints uttering in Discourse the Breathings of the Holy Spirit, and experiences of conversion, interested in a stricter conversation to be the matter. Dr. Holmes Epistle to Way cleared. pag. 4. | Mr. Bartlet speaketh something (this language) Can there be Ability for spirituall & holy services, where the spirit is not yet given? Can there be communion between light and Darknesse? Can they edify one another in the Faith, that have not the work of Faith wrought in them? Modell. p. 57. See more pag. 103.
Ans. What Mr Hooker's Judgment ⟨p. 71⟩was, is expressed in that first Column: what mine own, is declared, and I hope, cleared in the Holiness of Church-members. What Dr Holmes and Mr Bartlet do further require in it, they Declare what Church-members ought to be de jure, especially in their first constitution, rather then what they are, or are wont to be de facto, especially in their Declension. Again I see Mr Bartlet speaketh in opposition to the members of the Parish Churches, who are in many places Ignorant, loose, profane and scandalous livers, who are not indeed visible Saints, pag. 56.