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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
But divers of the Congregations in the North of England, and Wales, and other places, are not such Companies, &c. Ergo, they are no Churches.
Definitio constat ex essentialibus: and definitions if true are eternally true. Now how can there be the effect where there is not the essential cause, according to their own grant?
Definitio constat ex essentialibus: and definitions if true are eternally true. Now how can there be the effect where there is not the essentiall cause, according to their own grant?
I would have answered, if you speak of a pure visible Church, you say right: but there may be a true Church visible, though divers corrupt Members, as in Corinth, Sardis, &c. To this I conceived they would reply thus, as for Corinth, Sardis, &c. We do not deny it, for there were real Christians, and visible Christians also, (though there were corrupt ones,) and these held up the essential cause of the Church: but in divers of these Parishes we shall not find four it may be so much as visible Saints, if we take in knowledge, and what that definition, and Mr Cawdry's qualifications require for a visible Saint.
I would have answered, if you speake of a pure visible Church, you say right: but there may be a true Church visible, though divers corrupt Members, as in Corinth, Sardis, &c. To this I conceived they would reply thus, as for Corinth, Sardis, &c. We doe not deny it, for there were reall Christians, and visible Christians also, (though there were corrupt ones,) and these held up the essentiall cause of the Church: but in divers of these Parishes we shall not sinde foure it may be so much as visible Saints, if we take in knowledge, and what that definition, and Mr Cawdrys qualifications require for a visible Saint.