A41334:121
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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Come on then Sir, since this is your spirit, let us see whether this will give you such an advantage: the question is, whether Ministers are bound to baptize Children of Parents grossly ignorant, &c. Yes, saith Mr. C. the Parents are Church-members, and though notoriously scandalous they are Members to all Ordinances, while they are tolerated: tolerated say I, what mean you by that? you answer, the Church hath not proceeded to Censure and Excommunicate, for till excommunicated they are Church-members [yea and then also by your Doctrine] but then say I, for excommunication, I know no such thing, nor any Church-discipline: you say there are godly ones not convinced of this Ordinance, and if godly ones, then not wicked ones, sure enough they may as well renounce it: thus Discipline is rejected by all: so then non-excommunication, non-censuring doth not help one whit, but their gross ignorance, &c. is sufficient for me, for Excommunication there is no such thing, so my arguments stand the stronger, unless there be a way to help by the pro-parent and Adoption, which are your notions.
Come on then Sir, since this is your spirit, let us see whether this will give you such an advantage: the question is, whether Ministers are bound to baptize Children of Parents groslyignorant, &c. Yes, saith Mr. C. the Parents are Church-members, and though notoriously scandalous they are Members to all Ordinances, while they are tolerated: tolerated say I, what meane you by that? you answer, the Church hath not proceeded to Censure and Excommunicate, for till excommunicated they are Church-members [yea and then also by your Doctrine] but then say I, for excommunication, I know no such thing, nor any Church-discipline: you say there are godly ones not covinced of this Ordinance, and if godly ones, then not wicked ones, sure enough they may as well renounce it: thus Discipline is rejected by all: so then non-excommunication, non-censuring doth not help one whit, but their grosse ignorance, &c. is sufficient for me, for Excommunication there is no such thing, so my arguments stand the stronger, unlesse there be a way to help by the pro-parent and Adoption, which are your notions.