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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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Then you come to my first premise, which is, [The Infant abstracted from the Parent,1 gives no reason why it should be baptized] this say you is otherwise propounded by Mr. Hooker [then its unlikely to be borrowed of him] then you tell me it is not rightly proposed: yes Sir; very right: it is ordinary with Divines to lay a proposition first further off,2 then to come nearer; neither do I see that you have one whit censured it but yielded it: do you baptize any Child in your parish without considering it in relation to a Parent? do you consider it in it self abstracted from any other, and yet baptize it? I pray make an argument out of that Text in your Titlepage, Mar, 10.14. (which I presume you bring for Infants baptism) and consider the Infant alone as abstracted from the Parent: you say presently here, the Children of England are Christians borne, how? by reason of the house, soil, or the Parent? then its a Christian child, and in relation to such a one it is baptised. Thus you find fault with Mr. Hooker, but if you will cross him,3 or my self [who am not worthy to be named in the day with him] lay down this proposition, viz. The Infants of England quâ sic, considered as abstracted from any where, ought to be baptised; if you will maintain this, then I confess you may find fall.
Then you come to my first premise, which is, [The Infant abstracted from the Parens,1 gives no reason why it should be baptized] this say you is otherwise propounded by Mr. Hooker [then its unlikely to be borrowed of him] then you tell me it is not rightly proposed: yes Sir; very right: it is ordinary with Divines to lay a proposition first further off,2 then to come nearer; neither doe I see that you have one whit consured it but yeelded it: doe you baptize any Child in your parish without considering it in relation to a Parent? do you consider it in it selse abstracted from any other, and yet baptize it? I pray make an argument out of that Tex• in your Titlepage, Mar, 10.14. (which I preslime you bring for Infants baptisme) and consider the Infant alone as abstracted from the Parent: you say presently here, the Children of England are Christians borne, how? by reason of the house, soile, or the Parent? then its a Christian child, and in relation to such a one it is baptised. Thus you finde fault with Mr. Hooker, but if you will crosse him,