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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
But for Church-government, try you what you can do only by virtue of their Christianity, and implicit Covenant, I have tried it and found it not sufficient, but the other I have had good experience of. But for Church-covenant a few words.
But for Church-government, try you what you can doe onely by vertue of their Christianity, and implicite Covenant, I have tryed it and found it not sufficient, but the other I have had good experience of. But for Church-convenant a few words.
Concedimus foedus aliquod tacitum seu virtuale esse inter membra unius &, •jusdem particularis Ecclesiae externae: quo obligantur ad mutua illa officia praestanda, quae à membris Ecclesiae visibilis ad particularem suam Ecclesiasticam Communicnem exiguntur: quod nempe suis pastoribus corum Curae & disciplinae subess•• •undum publicum divinum Cultum frequentare, cadem lege & jurisdiction Ecc••••sticae gubernare velint: ex quo foedere etiam jus sibi acquirunt, ad illa qua buic particulari Ecclesiae ejuqu: membris sint propria, & altis Ecclesis particularibus nou Comptunt. This man speaks rationally, and those words are worth the observation, ex quo foedere jus sibi acquirunt, &c. so that all the right and power that Officers or particular Churches have over their members arise from this Covenant: and this is certain, for suppose one be a Christian, and suppose he own Church-Discipline, yet how do I in particular come to be bound to dispense Baptism or Lords Supper to him more then any other Minister? or how do I and this Church in particular more then another come to have power over another in respect of Discipline, but by his covenanting, consenting (call it what you will) with me and this Church, and not with another? for else he will say, though I do own Church. Discipline, yet who gave you power over me more then another Officer or Church?