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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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2. The second thing I observe in his question is, That the godly Parents are unwilling to come into Church-fellowship: and here lies the pinch of the question. But this plainly implies That Church fellowship is to be had, and this person is required by him to whom be offers his Child to be baptized, to join in Church fellowship: 1if Church fellowship be not to be had, then how shall his willingness or unwil inguesse be known? let there be an object bonum or malum which the will should choose or reject. Hence then if there could be no answer else given to what Mr. Ca. urgeth from the Jailer, who was baptised though not confederate; this troubles not the question, if there were no Church which did require him to join in fellowship; had there b•en a Church in Philippi, and Paul had required him to join in fellowship with the Church, and the Jailer would not, then indeed Mr. Ca had brought something against Mr. Hooker, if Paul would have baptized him.
2. The second thing I observe in his question is, That the godly Parents are unwilling to come into Church-followship: and here lyes the pinch of the question. But this plainly implyes That Church fellowship is to be had, and this person is required by him to whom be offers his Child to be baptized, to joyne in Church fellowship: 1if Chu•ch fellowship be not to be had, then how shall his willingnesse or unwil inguesse be knowne? let there be an object bonum or malum which the will should chuse or reject. Hence then if there could be no answer else given to what Mr. Ca. urgeth from the Jaylour, who was baptised though not confederate; this troubles not the question, if there were no Church which did require him to joyne in fellowship; had there b•en a Church in Philippi, and Paul had required him to joyne in fellowship with the Church, and the Jaylour would not, then indeed Mr. Ca had brought something against Mr. Hooker, if Paul would have baptized him.
- 1Acts 5.13. There was a Church, and joining to it I doubt not before the Apostles would baptise.