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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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he moves a question because it is hard to judge of the minimum quod sic of Knowledge or Holiness to make a man a fit matter of a Church, whether it were not safer for the Church to proceed by •egations at her then Affirmation: That is, in admitting or allowing of members, there is nothing appears to the contrary, but that the p••ty they have so much of saving Knowledge, and so fair a conversation in holiness, as may consist with true grace? This is very fair, and certainly there will be some little positive signs in such a person, and you may admit him by affirmation. Mr. Cawdrey hath fully confirmed me in that which is the ground of my scruple, for when I observed divers persons came to demand Baptism of me, for their children, and I found them grossly ignorant in the necessary points of Salvation, and far from understanding the nature of the Sacrament, and also when their conversation was proved by witness to […] scandalous, and far from what Mr. Cawdry hath set down, I questioned whether I was bound to give away such a seal as this, and did therefore lovingly request them to forbear a little, and lay in for more knowledge (offering to help them) and so to labour to reform their scandalous conversations, then I would do it.
he moves a question because it is hard to judge of the minimum quod sic of Knowledge or Holinesse to make a man a fit matter of a Church, whether it were not safer for the Church to proceed by •egations at her then Affirmation: That is, in admitting or allowing of members, there is nothing appears to the contrary, but that the p••ty they have so much of saving Knowledge, and so faire a conversation in holinesse, as may consist with true grace? This is very faire, and certainly there will be some little positive signes in such a person, and you may admit him by affirmation. Mr. Cawdrey hath fully confirmed me in that which is the ground of my scruple, for when I observed divers persons came to demand Baptisme of me, for their children, and I found them grossely ignorant in the necessary points of Salvation, and farre from understanding the nature of the Sacrament, and also when their conversation was proved by witnesse to 〈…〉 scandalous, and far from what Mr. Cawdry hath set down, I questioned whether I was bound to give away such a seale as this, and did therefore lovingly request them to forbear a little, and lay in for more knowledge (offering to helpe them) and so to labour to reforme their scandalous conversations, then I would doe it.