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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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but twice you use the word seem, which shows you rather propound your opinion modestly, but I pray Sir do not say this is so fully answered, it is no answer at all, (it is your opinion indeed) for by all the discourse I have met with as yet in that book, you have not proved that living Grandfathers may give a title, only you propound a text, which will prove the dead as well as the living may give a title if a Grandfather at all may: if you mean no more then the living Grandfather, your & caetera will soon be run out.
but twice you use the word seeme, which shewes you rather propound your opinion modestly, but I pray Sir doe not say this is so fully answered, it is no answer at all, (it is your opinion indeed) for by all the discou•se I have met with as yet in that book, you have not proved that living Grandfathers may give a title, onely you propound a text, which will prove the dead as well as the living may give a title if a Grandfather at all may: if you meane no more then the living Grandfather, your & caetera will soone be run out.
In p. 8. you meet with an argument of mine which is this,1 [If the wickedness of the immediate parent cut him off; from the Lords Supper; though his parent be godly, why doth not the same wickedness cut him off from giving right to his child's Baptism? if the parent cannot claim one Seal of the Covenant for himself, appearing plainly not to have the condition of it, must not the child suffer who depends upon him for its title? The parent suffers, therefore the child must needs.
In p. 8. you meet with an argument of mine which is this,1 [If the wickednesse of the immediate parent cut him off; from the Lords Supper; though his parent be godly, why doth not the same wickednesse cut him off from giving right to his childs Baptisme? if the parent cannot claime one Seale of the Covenant for himselfe, appearing plainely not to have the condition of it, must not the child suffer who depends upon him for its title? The parent suffers, therefore the child must needes.