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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
In p. 8. you meet with an argument of mine which is this,1 [If the wickedness of the immediate parent cut him off; from the Lords Supper; though his parent be godly, why doth not the same wickedness cut him off from giving right to his child's Baptism? if the parent cannot claim one Seal of the Covenant for himself, appearing plainly not to have the condition of it, must not the child suffer who depends upon him for its title? The parent suffers, therefore the child must needs.
In p. 8. you meet with an argument of mine which is this,1 [If the wickednesse of the immediate parent cut him off; from the Lords Supper; though his parent be godly, why doth not the same wickednesse cut him off from giving right to his childs Baptisme? if the parent cannot claime one Seale of the Covenant for himselfe, appearing plainely not to have the condition of it, must not the child suffer who depends upon him for its title? The parent suffers, therefore the child must needes.
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You say no, not for Temporal punishment [Gehezi, Achan, Corah, &c. their ⟨p. 34⟩children did] nor spiritual. To this I answered [they cannot be abstracted from their parents in this, and therefore may: as the child comes to have its right by a parent, so the child may lose by a parent: it doth not lose salvation nor regeneration by it.
You say no, not for Temporall punishment [Gehezi, Achan, Corah, &c. their ⟨p. 34⟩children did] nor spirituall. To this I answered [they cannot be abstracted from their parents in this, and therefore may: as the child comes to have its right by a parent, so the child may lose by a parent: it doth not lose salvation nor regeneration by it.