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A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious…
A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grossly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church discipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptism of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...A sober reply to the sober answer of Reverend Mr. Cawdrey, to A serious question propounded viz. whether the ministers of England are bound by the word of God to baptise the children of all such parents, which say they believe in Jesus Christ, but are grosly ignorant, scandalous in their conversations, scoffers at godliness, and refuse to submit to church dicipline ... : also, the question of Reverend Mr. Hooker concerning the baptisme of infants : with a post-script to Reverend Mr. Blake / by G.I. Firmin ...
London: printed by J.G., 1653
A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSWER, &c.A SOBER REPLY TO A SOBER ANSVVER, &c.
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For an Apostate you tell me of the kindred taking care of it, or susceptores: this notion will come in afterwards.
For excommunicated persons there you bestow pains, and I perceive you care not so much for a pro-parent here, but by virtue of the immediate parent himself though excommunicated.
For excommunicated persons there you bestow paines, and I perceive you care not so much for a pro-parent here, but by vertue of the immediate parent himselfe though excommunicated.
For my own part I should not here yield to a pro-parent, neither do I see our New England Divines (that could beteem a Grandchild under the Grandfathers tuition to be baptized by virtue of him) will allow, it if the immediate parents be excommunicated, for this hinders the working of the Ordinance; it is of greater force to work when a man shall see not only himself cut off, but even his very children also, this hath been a means to awaken some in N. England, who were not excommunicated, but only not admitted, to see their posterity also suffer for their sakes, it hath so wrought as to make some truly godly (so far as we may judge) and others it hath brought into external order in conversation.
For my owne part I should not here yeeld to a pro-parent, neither doe I see our New England Divines (that could beteame a Grandchild under the Grandfathers tuition to be baptized by vertue of him) will allow, it if the immediate parents be excommunicated, for this hinders the working of the Ordinance; it is of greater force to worke when a man shall see not onely himselfe cut off, but even his very children also, this hath beene a means to awaken some in N. England, who were not excommunicated, but onely not admitted, to see their posterity also suffer for their sakes, it hath so wrought as to make some truly godly (so farre as we may judge) and others it hath brought into externall order in conversation.